October 31, 2009: That Long Overdue Rant – And A Behind-The-Scenes Vid From Water

So I walked into the office the other day to discover a glowering Carl seated at his desk.  Now, usually, it takes him the better part of the morning to work his way up to a full glower but, on this particular day, Carl was already there the second I walked in.  When I asked him what was up, he informed me that he might have to start boycotting my blog because, in his opinion, some of the fan comments had crossed the line.  While he is all for constructive criticism, he apparently takes exception when fans start labeling characters “whores” or suggesting the producers should consider killing off certain characters, especially when its common knowledge that the actors playing said characters check out the blog.  And not only the actors, but their immediate family as well.

Sadly, the negativity has also taken its toll on one-time regular Sherry, proud mother of actor Brian J. Smith, who, surprised and saddened by some of the hostility here, has elected to no longer read the blog.  Also, after several months of connecting with fandom online, Brian is stepping away from his popular twitter account for much the same reason.  Some of the very same fans who he was kind enough to open up a dialogue with in the run-up to the premiere started leaving him nasty comments as though he was responsible for the show’s creative direction.  I imagine that if Robert Carlyle was on twitter, these same morons would be berating him for being mean to his fellow Destiny crew members.

I find myself in an awkward position.  On the one hand, I want to keep this blog’s comment section open to differing opinions and allow fans to express their honest feelings about the show; on the other hand, I don’t want it to turn into a battleground where fans can feel free to insult the production, its personal, and each other.  I have to walk a very fine line and, sometimes, I will let a comment through that may be deemed borderline in order to respond to a “distilled” representation of an oft-repeated opinion.

For the most part, I don’t think it’s gotten all that bad here (I’ve read worse on other forums and even moderated worse).  Still, I’d suggest that anyone looking to post a critical comment consider their wording – not their opinion, but the way in which they express said opinion.  Sometimes, you can be offensive without even meaning to.  And, when this happens, rather making a good point, you risk alienating the very people you’re trying to convince.

For example, amidst all of the ongoing discussion about the Scott-James scene in the pilot, the Scott-Chloe scene in Light, and the burgeoning relationship between Scott and Chloe, someone here referred to Chloe as a whore.  Now never mind the fact that we have only seen the Chloe character be intimate with all of one other character so far, and this only after bonding with him following the loss of her father and as both faced what seemed like certain death and thus took advantage of the only opportunity they would have to be together.  So how do you think someone on the production would react to such a comment?  Would they stop and consider the message at the heart of it?  Unfortunately, no.  They dismiss the poster and her opinion as extreme and move on.

Also realize – if it hasn’t become apparent by now – that we love our cast and are very protective of them.  Trust me when I say that there’s no better way to guarantee a character’s long and fruitful stay on a show than to insist we get rid of them.  Keep in mind that the simple fact others in your particular online niche share an opinion doesn’t make it the prevailing attitude among the show’s viewers.

In order to head off any potential frustration on the part of those who are unhappy with SGU’s direction, allow me to make a few points that may save you time and effort in any attempt to change some of the creative choices we’ve made.

SGU is NOT SG-1 or Atlantis.  It’s a different show in terms of tone and characters.  If you’re expecting flawless people, square-jawed heroes, and stories that set up and deliver all the answers over the course of a forty-five minute episode, you WILL be disappointed.  And DON’T expect that to change.  If you don’t like the character interactions, romance, and open-ended story elements introduced to date, you’re in for a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong haul because that’s our show.

Unlike the more kid-friendly SG-1 and Atlantis with its wholesale slaughters of enemy combatants, tortures, stabbings, and occasional live burnings, Universe will touch on the heinous topic of physically intimacy.  These “sex scenes”, which amounted to approximately 1 whole minute of the 270 minutes aired to date, engendered a fair amount of controversy.  And that’s fine.  I don’t mind continuing to read and approve your comments on the subject so long as you don’t mind knowing that nothing will change in this respect and that if you were offended by that broom closet scene in Air I, I guarantee you’ll be clawing your eyes out of your skull given what we have in store later this season.  Also, while I can understand why some may have had a problem with that broom-closet scene in the premiere given that it did come as a surprise to many, I can’t muster up much empathy or understanding for those complaining about the Scott-Chloe scene in Light.  Again, if it’s a matter of not enjoying shows that focus on the occasional romance between characters, then that’s unfortunate – because that’s the type of show you’re watching.  If, on the other hand, it’s an innate response to the very notion of intimacy no matter how modest the scene, then I’d suggest a deep-rooted personal issue that would be best dealt with somewhere other than this blog.

Finally, some words of advice – words of advice not so much for those of you here but those leaving comments on other forums and websites (if you would be kind enough to pass the message along): STOP MAKING IDIOT COMMENTS.  Note I didn’t say idiotic comments because that would imply that the lion’s share of the idiocy lies with the comment itself rather than the commentator.  No, I mean: STOP MAKING IDIOT COMMENTS.

For example, say you have a problem with the James scene in Darkness in which she threatens Riley and Eli after they try spying on her with the kino.  You can go ahead and make an argument for the scene being sexist (although I’d argue that there’s a difference between the scene being sexist and the characters in the scene acting inappropriately, especially given that a clearly disappointed Young admonishes both men), but if, in the body of your comment or any subsequent comment, you refer to the James character as Lieutenant Rack or McBoobs, then you’re a hypocrite who has successfully undermined their argument by demonstrating you can’t be taken seriously.  Also, you’re an idiot.

If you want to express your opinion and argue why you feel that scene was sexist, then by all means do so.  If, however, you dismiss anyone expressing a differing opinion, despite the fact that they go through the trouble of presenting a cogent counter- argument, simply on the basis of their sex  (“Oh, look ! Another privilege man trying to tell us woman that something is not sexist ! Wow, what a surprise ! What a shock ! What a revelation !” – compliments of one grade school level narow-minded poster here: xxx), why bother posting on a public forum.  Rather, pick a private sub-forum where everyone is guaranteed to agree with your opinion or, better yet, imagine you live in a wonderful world where everyone thinks you’re brilliant and sees eye to eye with you on everything.

Hmmm.  A lot less ranty than I’d expected two days ago when I had originally planned to tackle this topic.  Still, ranty enough to ensure some thin-skinned faction of fandom will be whining and stomping its feet in response.

Hey, while you‘re here, check out a behind-the-scenes vid from Water:

658 Responses

  1. I was very sorry to read that you have been receiving really “rotten” comments about SGU. This really isn’t the spot for that. It’s almost like telling a parent that their child is ugly. How rude of people. No bad comments from me on SGU. Never happen.

  2. Hear! Hear! Right on Joe!


  3. Hello, a shame that people are not being respectful..

    While I understand the circumstances in SGU are different than those in the previous series, I enjoyed the humor shown in those series. Is there is a chance for some humor to be shown in upcoming episodes?

  4. Hi Joe:

    Cool video. What was the stuff flying around that was supposed to look like snow? Also, did you guys ever consider doing a “cold set” like you did on Continuum?


  5. Well said, Joe.

    I am really enjoying the show. Don’t change a thing.

  6. Not every fan makes these comments or feels like this about the series, for every post on the forums making idiotic comments there are tons talking about the good points of SGU and how much people love it. Not all Stargate fans can be held responsible for the actions of idiots.

    Still i’m sad to hear you feel this way and i hope some positive comments make you feel better about the fans of this series who are out there.

  7. From a long-time lurker, thank you for saying what you did in this post. SGU has been amazing so far! I love it and find the characters to be quite interesting. My friends and I have held very long debates about Rush’s motivations and intentions, it’s been fun~

  8. I’ve been reading this blog regularly for a couple weeks now, but not following the comments as closely. This is my first comment.
    I’d just like to say that it’s great to see you defending the actors (and your readers) from the legion of morons who can be found everywhere on the Internet. I love that you call people out on what they say, and that you’re not afraid to tell them to go screw themselves if they deserve it.

    I’m also really enjoying the show so far… and I do somewhat resent Chloe’s actions, but only because I’ve been in a similar situation and I identify most with the Eli character. My reaction is a result of good writing, not bad. The characters are believable.

    Keep up the good work, and don’t let the idiots get to you!

  9. Fans should realize they are lucky to have inside access to the show with your blog. I am really sorry that you have to read the “idiot comments”. Anyone associated with the show should be able to read your blog without having to deal with that. I for one thank you for the effort you put into reading the comments, answering questions and putting up with all the crap. All the best Joe…..

  10. I’m not/wasn’t entirely happy with the scenes, especially when I first saw it in Dark, but I think you used it well, particularly in Water. In any case however calling someone a whore is incredibly uncalled for, and doesn’t make sense anyway since the actor isn’t the person responsible for what the character does in show, the writer/producers are!

    In any case I apologize for the general idiocy of other commenters, and feel free to tell people such as the actors and family that as well.

  11. on October 31, 2009 at 6:47 pm | Reply Abbas Karimjee

    Just a quick note that everyone is invited to vote for their favourite character on Stargate Universe at my site at http://www.abbaskarimjee.wordpress.com.The poll is further towards the bottom of the post.


  12. hey, i like Water. TJ really shines in that eps. cool~ luv u TJ~

    man, i hope SGU will make it to my country. As far as i remember, they only have SG-1 for 5 seasons, and Atlantis for 2 or 3 seasons. i dont really remember.

    anyway, if it doesn’t, i’m still gonna buy it’s dvds! just like what i did with atlantis~

    see ya. >.<;;

  13. Coming out of lurking to second Elmister’s “Hear! Hear!”. People can be douchebags and all one can hope is that they aren’t procreating and passing the idiot on to the next generation of humans.

  14. Mr. M wrote:

    Answer: I’m not blowing off criticism, merely pointing out that it doesn’t make sense to take the opinions of one small group as representative of general viewership.

    Uhm. Isn’t that what pollsters and focus group studies do? How else do you figure the opinions of the general viewership?

    As opposed to the general viewership, most of your commenters here want to like SGU and were predisposed to do so. Yet a noticable majority of them are complaining about the same thing. Shouldn’t that carry weight?

    susan the tartan turtle wrote:

    In the first part of Air Colonel Young collapses in his kitchen – has the reason for this collapse been explained (and I missed it) or is it still to be explained??

    I took his collapse this way: he was fine in real life when he had that conversation with Emily but his subconcious imposed his injury into the memory.

    Quade1 wrote:

    3. In Air Pt 1, Carter claims there are 12 KIA and about 80 MIA.
    Air Pt. 2, Greer and Scott have 23 weapons, giving one to each group of three, which is about 640.
    In Light, Chloe’s odds of getting 1 of 15 spots on the shuttle are about 1 in 16, meaning about 240.
    Approxamitely how many people are onboard, or will it be properly addressed in an upcoming episode?

    Your math is off. 23 guns = 23 groups of 3 people = 69 people. Not all people went on the search so 80 still seems correct.

    Chloe said her chances were one in five or one in six. 80/15 = 5.333 or a one in 5.33 chance of being chosen.

    Anne Teldy

  15. Poo. So I gotta tone down my immature colorful use of words? No more ‘hide the willies’, or ‘rumpy pumpies’? 😦

    Okay….I’ll behave. But ONLY when talking about the show! You’re still fair game, Joey! 😀

    In all seriousness – thanks. It needed to be said. What disturbs me most is that a lot of the personal attacks are coming from 40-somethings, aimed at 20-somethings. That’s just obnoxious.

    However, I am disappointed to read your comment about what’s coming later this season. I love the flawed characters, but must admit that the romantic element doesn’t appeal to me at all, and may end up being the thing that kills the show for me. I don’t want it to – but I am just not a people-person when it comes to romantic relationships, in real life and in my choices of entertainment. I’ve just never been interested (at. all.) in who’s dating/marrying/sleeping with whom, and only enjoy such an element in a show when it is more about the breaking up than the getting together. (Guess that’s why I love Wolverine – all his women get killed! Huh…same with Hornblower, Mad Max, Elric…and any Wraith who’s lost his Queen. I’m seeing a trend here… )

    Yup. I am NOT a romantic. It’s one of Mr. Das’ complaints about me – he loves romance in his shows (heck, he’s a Smallville addict – ’nuff said!), while I prefer stuff blowin’ up. Sure, he likes a good action flick, but he can’t resist a love story. I can. See, for me it’s not the sex (though I do dislike explicit sex scenes), I just don’t give a damn about love! I’m one of those ‘if it happens, it happens’ types – no need to talk about it. Well…except to complain about it if/when it becomes a focal point of a tv show. 😛

    Yeah. Shutting up now. And I was gonna tell ya about my great day…but seems a bit innappropriate with this entry, and my ‘don’t know when to shut up’ ramble. Sorry.

    das the ass

  16. Although the scene in Air 1 came as a complete surprise to me, as I just did not expect it in an SG show, the Chloe-Scott scene in Light didn’t bother me in the least (however I did feel bad for Eli). Although I’m still not sold on the Chloe character, she just doesn’t seem to have any purpose yet, except she has become a lightening rod character….

    I’m not keen on the stone- back to Earth scenes, but I understand the reason for them and loved the cameo of Peter….

    I’m really loving the Young character and very curious of why TJ was suppose to leave and didn’t. Very curious about Rush. I also like how Young is so protective of Eli….I’m just letting myself go along for the ride.

    Sure I was bummed when SGA was cancelled (although I was more of a SG1 fan and really didn’t connect w/Sheppard, loved Ronon, Teyla (met Rachel at a convention – what a sweetie) and Rodney. But it is not the fault of these actors and this crew and they are doing their job and doing it well, so I’ll enjoy some more Stargate, in whatever form it happens to be…

  17. First, if my comments have offended any of the actors, production people, or others who strive to bring a quality product to the screen, my apologies. While I will criticise the show if I believe it is a valid criticism, it’s not my intent to insult or belittle individuals. Merely to point out why something does or does not work for me personally. I’ve been impressed for years by the Stargate production standards, and that hasn’t changed even if the new show is not one I’ve instantly fallen in love with. But whatever issues I have with the show are no reflection on the actors, all of whom have put in solid to brilliant performances each episode. It’s not even really a slap at the production/writing staff, as much as expressing a difference in opinions.
    Which is what I love about this site. I quickly dropped visting Gateworld Forums because of all the venom that seems endemic over there. Here, for the most part people voice their disagreement in respectful, even humorous ways. I try to avoid responding the few trollish posts in order not to stoke the flame wars they seem intent on starting. Besides, you as host do more than an adequate job on bug-stomping when needed.
    So, what can we do to let you folks know how much we appreciate your efforts(not including the occasional book and/or chocolate shipments to vous) Whatever it is, I’ll be happy to do what I can to make the cast and crew feel appreciated, especially if it means we can entice them to come to conventions.
    As a final note, is it just me or does it look like Young’s suit has a codpiece? I certainly didn’t notice it when the episode aired, but in your video clip … personally I think codpieces are great. It’s just that they seem to be so….unAncientish. Anyways, thanks for the video, the rant, and all the other stuff you do for your readers.

  18. I do have an off Stargate question that I’m not sure you can answer, but thought I’d ask. Why do some series not get released because of music rights? I’m specifically thinking “China Beach.” Which I loved and introduced me to Bob Picardo. It has been written that it won’t be released because the music rights are too expensive. I know SG1 and SGA used original music, but SGU is using some contemporary music. Will this be a problem? I would think that if a song is in an episode then the music has been paid for? I know that when Roswell was released they had to replace alot of the music for the DVD’s, but if the show is reran, it has the original music. It’s just very confusing and damn frustrating as I’d love to own China Beach.

  19. Well, I’d like to take the time to apologize to Brian (and Miss Levesque) for anything I may or may not have said that was offensive… I may not like a character but I try not to let that hatred convey to the actors portraying them. My bad, guys!

    On a perhaps lighter note…

    “Trust me when I say that there’s no better way to guarantee a character’s long and fruitful stay on a show than to insist we get rid of them.”

    In that case, I must insist you destroy all of the kinos and the machine that dispenses them… post haste!

  20. Just make Rush a little more likeable (pretty please), the character has so far exhibited no redeeming qualities at all.
    (no reflection on Robert Carlyle, he’s fantastic in the part but I want to like him)

    Liking (not loving… yet) the series so far and it’s understandable that it’s a little slow paced atm (lots of new characters to establish)

    I do love Eli♥ though, soft squishy, teddy bear that one.

  21. Hear hear, for sure! To quote Yahtzee Croshaw, “Some fans are clingy, complainy idiots who will never be satisfied with anything that you do.”

    Sad, but true. I hate that the fandom’s accusations about the Scott and Chloe characters has leaked into the actor’s lives, and it sucks for those of us who enjoy it. It’s not only making watching SGU a little detrimental to some who like it, but having conversations on forums about it will always lead to more Scott/Chloe bashing.

    It must suck for the actors and the producers too, who craft this show – their baby – and to have that baby ripped to shreds by the aforementioned fandom. And those same same actors and producers want to go in and create a new episode/baby with a positive attitude, and idiot fans ruin it for them.

  22. Oh Joe 😦 I’m really sorry to hear that some people are feeling it necessary to boycott your blog because of the negative comments. Please be assured that these ‘idiots’ are in the minority, and that most of us are quietly enjoying all aspects of SGU.

    Maybe we should be a bit louder 😉


  23. Thank you for this post. I hope my rant the other day didn’t piss you off. Everyone’s intitled to their own opinion but like you said, it’s the way they say it that can offend people. I concidered not following your blog because I like to read most of the comments made by my fellow fans and some of them were getting very ugly. I’m very proud of the show and even won an autographed poster signed by everyone except Lou Diamond Phillips. I will miss reading Brian’s Tweets but can understand that he needs a break. I know I’ll get updates from Sherry. I just hope that as the SGU and it’s story porgresses, the negative comments will die off a little, not completely because people won’t always like certain aspects or story lines of the show.

  24. Great work on the show, Joe. SGU has some great characters. They feel real. Not everyone is a boy/girl scout!

  25. on October 31, 2009 at 7:18 pm | Reply Thomas John Brown

    SGU is quickly becoming my favorite Stargate show! And I don’t say that lightly! I was completely in love with Atlantis and SG1, but Universe is a whole different love for me. In my humble opinion, it may be the greatest drama/action/sci-fi show on TV! You should have ranted more, because there are still idiots out there!

  26. I’m glad that Lieutenant James was written in a way that she took the high road when it came to Chloe, so far at least.

    I had asked this question before, however I’m not sure if it was either not approved or I simply failed to hit the submit button. So as far as Hulu goes, do you know how or if views on Hulu of SGU affect the overall ratings for the show?

    As it has been said before, the anonymity of the internet makes people feel the can get away with being, well far more critical then they would ever be face to face. So take all things with a grain of salt and consider the source. People will be dicks to be dicks, sometimes you can find a morsel of truth in the criticism, in the end that is all you want to leave with from those comments.

    Enjoying the show so far, keep up the good work.

  27. hey joe, loving the series so far, was hoping chloe would get with Eli and not with scott, but am hoping they will by the end of the series! quick question, does the appearence of the suits in this episode mean that the ones used by the asgard in fifth series of atlantis taken from the ancients? or perhaps taken BY the ancients?

  28. Thanks for the rant, Joe. I think you are a very gracious host and have been very open to other people expressing their views. This is your blog; we’re guests here and guests should behave in a civil way. But enough is enough and I’m glad you told off the folks who can’t express their opinions without getting vicious and personal. I’ve got to admit that I’ve been avoiding reading many of the posts lately – partly because of spoilers and partly because of the sheer nastiness.

    Das, I look forward to your creative writing! Please don’t stop.

  29. I find it interesting that so many “loyal” Stargate fans gave so much negativity towards SGU, yet still watch it. Perhaps it is an ongoing experiment in human psychology. In connecting the dots, it appears that most of these online thugs are the ones bitter from SGA being finished. This is their venting, I suppose, and for them SGU was doomed from the start.

    I also happen to be watching Batman Returns, and I find a parallel. The two Tim Burton Batmans were really good, some of the best superhero movies at the time of their debut(s). But with Returns and Batman and Robin, it was more of the same (and some campy added in, which was happening to SGA and SG1, which you may debate…). Then there was Batman Begins. A wonderful movie which was character based. It is how Batman survived cinematically, and as we all know, now thrives. Stargate is taking the same road. We, the audience, would be moaning and groaning if this was rehashed SG1 and SGA, but to an even greater extent than the whining about SGA rehashing SG1 plots.

    In summary, I commend and respect the direction the franchise is going. Now, I have a recommendation: mucho space battles. It’s what I loves the most.

    How did Priors come through the Milky Way gates from the Ori galaxy if the Stargates had not been invented before the Ancients departed for Earth/Milky Way (as see in AoT)? This has bothered me…

    Does the Hammond have Asgard beam weapons? If so, why not use them in Air I?

    Will there be any more Milky Way space battles in SGU?


  30. *comes out of hiding* Thank you Joe for addressing this issue. I have been avoiding your comment section and select portions of your mailbag these past weeks because I cannot stomach the toxic and insulting comments any longer. I am so sorry people are being so disrespectful and offensive. I sometimes characterize fandom as a lynch mob; it’s not a nice place to be when a certain few are out to get anyone who disagrees with their POV or the creative direction of “their show.” I can tolerate creative criticism but this is just too much. I’m also disappointed these select few have ruined the experience for many new cast members and those and close to them. Most of us in fandom are truly nice and respectful people. Guess it’s like the adage says, “one bad apple ruins the bunch.” I hope this blog entry will put some of the “excitement” to rest (doubtful though.)

    Eat some chocolate, keep your chin up and keep blogging.

    PS. On a happier note, my mom loves your “Weird Food purchase of the day” segments.

  31. On second thought, I’m glad you said what you said today because it made MYSELF realize that I was actually saying, “Hey, I wouldn’t mind if Chloe didn’t exist in the show.” Which obviously isn’t quite an appropriate thing to say when the people involved with production actually read these comments.

    I personally try to be as insightful and constructive as possible in my comments here because I know a lot of people aren’t. I try to be honest and just give my opinion as it is. Normally I can do that in a constructive manner which is just supposed to raise questions and think about something instead of making irrational statements such as “Chloe is a whore.” I love SGU as a show and love the direction it’s going and I love how it’s far different from its predecessors. There have just been a few pet peeves that have made me wonder about a few things. I didn’t mind the sex scene in Air whatsoever. I didn’t mind Chloe’s behavior toward Eli in Darkness followed by her and Scott in Light. I was a bit surprised that her and Scott were actually pursuing something romantic when I felt it hadn’t really been hinted at enough before, but I was okay with it and it didn’t really bother my enjoyment of the episode.

    I think the thing that raises the most controversy among fandom here and on other websites is how the characters are acting in/dealing with this situation. The writers write the characters in ways they think the characters would act in this surreal situation. They are, after all, characters CREATED BY the writers themselves, so they should know best, right? And I go under that assumption. No one really knows how anyone would act if they were stranded billions of light years from Earth on a space ship with limited supplies and facing death every other day. I think that creates the most controversy: people’s interpretations of how the characters would handle things.

    My previous comment about Chloe in “Water” was out of frustration of seeing her whine about Scott to Rush and just standing there crying instead of trying to help. Again, that’s MY interpretation of how she SHOULD handle the situation–and obviously the writers wrote it differently. I have no problem with that.

    I like the actress and I think she does a fantastic job, as does everyone else on the cast. I just don’t quite get the character, and when TPTB say “These characters have flaws” and then say “Chloe feels helpless and feels like she has to try to prove herself”–to me, it’s coming across as Chloe being lazy and selfish and it appears to me as a stereotypical “flaw” in the character which feels redundant and boring. I’d rather see Chloe working her ass off to help with ideas to SAVE her new crush instead of standing there yelling at Rush and whining. It’s just annoying to see that when she really ought to be doing the exact opposite according to what TPTB have said about the character and what Chloe herself said in Darkness.

    So anyways my apologies if I’ve ever said anything inappropriate but I do look at myself as someone who comments more constructively than the majority of people who comment here and I feel like I understand where everyone’s coming from. I’m not really sensitive to anything and I try to see all sides of it and I just come here to express my opinion to someone who is involved with the show and might be intrigued by the viewpoint.

  32. Hey Joe,

    I’ve been a lurker for a couple of years but don’t think I’ve left a comment yet. I have to say I’m really disappointed that members of the cast and their families feel they have been abused. I’d like to say that I’m really enjoying the grittiness and realism of the characters and that I’ve found the actors quite believable. I think that most of the actors have found their stride quite quickly, I don’t think the actors in SG-1 and SGA were quite as comfortable in their roles six episodes in as the SGU actors are.

    Looking forward to many more seasons of SGU! And hopefully an idiot free blog.

  33. By the way great to see a ‘real life’ gate in the behind the scenes video… was the puddle a projection onto a screen? I thought the gate effects were CG.

  34. I completely agree that harshly, rudely, irrationally negative comments have no place on your blog, nor directed at any of the actors or production who have an on-line presence. I would not blame you for moderating more of them than you have.

    Speaking as a fan, I’ll say honestly I wish fans could have a place to talk about TV shows, movies, etc, without anyone from the productions looking over their shoulders. I’d like this not only to avoid hurting someone’s feelings, but also avoid being mocked as a psychopath or worse. Sometimes it’s just fun to kvetch without worrying that someone from a show will read any of it. Not all comments are intended to influence anyone; most are just for us, as part of the fan experience. I’m sure when you guys slam movies at the office, you’re very grateful Hollywood doesn’t have your hallways bugged.

    It seems now there’s no place obscure enough for fan privacy in a forum-type setting. I’ve seen small forums’ comments be cited in twitter then make their way to your colleagues. So are fans just supposed to stop posting anywhere that an unregistered user can read? That seems pretty restrictive!

    So yeah, your blog obviously is not the place for fans to criticize your show to the nth degree, IMO even politely. Yet if they do it out in the corners of the internetz, please don’t hold it against them; it’s not for you to overhear. 🙂

  35. I don’t really have anything to add other than that I agree with your post. Some people can get really out of line. As a viewer, I don’t feel I have the right to tell you how to make your show. If I don’t like it, that’s my problem.

  36. Hello again! I just finished watching Water and I must say I loved it! I’m very sorry about all the hate comments you’ve been getting. Also I’m sorry if my last comment made anyone upset at all, and thank you very much for the fair warning to everyone about the romance in the up coming episodes. I normally can’t watch the show live anyway, all the TVs in the house are normally taken over. So I’ll just adore my fast forward button. 🙂
    Anyway, last episode – Awesome!! So far my favorites are TJ, Colonel Young and Greer, can’t see why anyone wouldn’t like Greer. Those bugs creeped me out, but it was really cool idea. I never would have thought they could be so scary. When Eli pointed out that the bugs were the ones drinking all the water — you should have seen my face! I was like “Oooohhhh!” Then I felt really stupid.

    Thanks for the behind the scenes video! What where they using to make it look like snow? Bits of potatoes is my guess.

  37. where is the adventure and excitement?

  38. @ Gracey – I think Northern Exposure has the same problem (not sure if it ever made it to DVD yet) – held up, I believe, by music rights. They may release it eventually, but without all the songs that originally played in the eps as they appeared on tv. Shame, because it’s often that music that makes the show, but I guess they have to write up new contracts, sign new deals, and pay for it all, just to get the soundtrack put on the DVDs intact.

    I think there was a similar problem with Queen of the Damned, but at the time of its original production, not when it went to DVD. I never saw the movie (as I’ve said before, undead vampires just aren’t my thing), but the soundtrack is one of my all-time favorite CDs. I *think* Jonathan Davis of Korn sang many, if not all, of the songs in the movie, but because of contracts, label obligations, etc, he could not sing on the soundtrack for the movie, so other artists stepped in and performed his songs for him. Or something like that.

    I think it boils down to lawyers screwing everything up.


  39. on October 31, 2009 at 7:32 pm | Reply antisocialbutterflie

    Dear Joe,

    I would like to apologize for my snarky comment earlier today. My comment was not directed at SGU in particular, but rather at TV in general. I was profoundly struck by the fact that both the characters of TJ and Chloe were wearing fabulous shades of lip gloss which stood out to me given the rather dire situation of running out of water. I was deeply amused by this observation and decided to share which may or may not have been inappropriate.

    I recognize that this is one of those things that comes with any story, whether in TV or movies, like the fact that women still manage to find mascara in a post-apocalyptic war zone or that a scientist can look through a normal light microscope and identify a virus. As a viewer of any visual medium, you are forced to make these concessions to enjoy the overall story. I am more than willing to overlook these issues in the name of entertainment. For future reference, I thought it was a wonderful episode, which I may not have transmitted clearly through the sarcasm.

    I also realize that this is not entirely relevant to the point you were trying to bring across in the rant. In that regard, I would hope that my comments up until this point were perhaps critical but never disparaging. At least that was my intent. I realize is very easy to misconstrue the context of a comment when it is being read rather than heard and I wanted to be clear.

    I have faith in you Joe and in the SG writing team. You have always been upfront and honest as to what the SGU is and isn’t. I appreciate that and all the effort that is going into making it a good show. Thank you Joe.

    I think I’m getting all rambly now, so enjoy your evening.

  40. Oh dear.

    Welcome to fandom, Universe.

    They’re batshit crazy but… well, mostly they’re just batshit crazy.

  41. Hey Brian’s Mom / Sherry / Mrs. Smith,

    In the off-chance you happen past this post, know that your son is doing a fantastic job.

    Hell, every cast member is ridiculously good. I recently watched an episode of Dexter in which a side-character, Deborah Morgan, FINALLY had some intense emotional scenes that forced the actress to flex those acting muscles. And yet, that has been the case for every SGU episode so far.

    To Joe –
    Comment moderation is a very, VERY good thing. If you’ve ever read the comments to any YouTube video, you know what I mean. Thanks for taking the time to weed out the mouth breathers.



  42. Thank you for the clip from Water. My hubby and I just watched it on Hulu. We love SG-1, SGA and are getting into SGU.

    I have to say I was shocked by your rant because I do not always read everything others type. When someone starts loosing it, I skip the post and move on. It is bad that they are acting like that. Thank you for keeping them in line.

    Hubby and I have been keeping away from spoilers for the most part, and have been enjoying the characters trying to survive.

    My hubby keeps saying they need to keep going and trust the ship because it has been around for a very long time, and it may be the only way home. And, I keep saying they need to stop at a planet before they get to far from Earth (knowing they are already really far) or should look for one like earth and try to gate back closer to Earth over time.

    My idea makes me think of the movie Cube where they went from one room to the other surviving and using the character’s individual skills.

    Hubby and I talk about what we would do if we were on the ship. We talk over what decisions we think we would make knowing that if it was a real situation that you may not act the way you think you would, but it is fun to bounce it around like a Ba’al clone. lol We decided that the current villian is the ship. SGU is great. *smiles*

  43. PS – I take everything back I said about Carl being skeevy…if that helps.

    I think I’ll go sit in the corner for a bit, and keep my mouth shut.

    If it’s at all possible.

    Not sure it is. 😛



  44. I have no issues at all with your “rant”, you made it clear your comments are directed at the malicious and cruel comments, and not fandom in general. I hope you realise most of us feel the same way – it’s the few immature and vitriolic “fans” who can’t bear that anyone else has a different opinion and can’t bring themselves to respect others (including the PTB and the cast and crew) that reflect badly on the rest of us.

    I speak only for myself here, but I would like to say that while I don’t always think you guys made the right decision I absolutely respect your right to MAKE that decision, after all, if I don’t like it I can choose to turn off the TV!. And might I add that I’m enjoying SGU (not love mind, but enjoy) – I especially swooned at the lighting and music in “Light”, gorgeous. I’m enjoying the slightly more adult tone to the show, I don’t get the furore about the sex scenes (hey, refer them to “True Blood”, complete (addictive) rubbish that makes SGU look positively prudish in comparison :p ).

  45. on October 31, 2009 at 7:42 pm | Reply Eternal Density

    I hope no one thinks they can use reverse psychology to prevent you from killing off characters by insulting them, that would be twisted.

    Personally I like the new direction this show is taking. SG-1 and SGA did what they did well. SGU is doing what it does well. I think Water had more action and more drama than SG-1 ep 6 Cold Lazurus. I found Light a bit more exciting but Water was still a solid episode which progressed many of the characters. They’re all interesting even – or especially – when they aren’t likable.

    I fear that even after they claw out their eyes, some anti-fans will find a way to keep watching and complaining.

  46. I didn’t realize SGU had that kind of fan reaction, maybe some of it, but just some. Gosh, I’m enjoying the show and plan on tuning in every week! All the actors/cast are great! And i’m sure the crew is always fantastic as usual. SGU has my support!

  47. Bravo, Joe.

    I’d say more but it’s late here and I really ought to get to sleep. 🙂

  48. Thanks for your rant, Joe. I sign it immediately. After I read the comments the last week, I could only shake my head on how some people express themselves.
    I learned early that not to say negative things about other people, so not to hurt them. If you want to help someone improve, you give constructive criticism. If you can’t do that, you stay quiet. But this might be my Japanese side in me.
    I watched every Stargate episode there is, and I liked all of them. I didn’t love them that I would watch them over and over again. They were nice stories.
    With SGU though, it is different. I can relate to the characters and their situation. I have watched all SGU episodes a couple of times already to see the great acting of the complete cast and to detect all those small nuances I missed the first time. A good actor/actress can portray a character without any words, just with facial/physical expressions. And I see this a lot on this show.
    I don’t need to tell you, that you guys choose the right people to portray the wrong people in the wrong location.

    I think I said it before. SGU is like a good book. I read it to find out more about the characters and how they develop. I would never write to the author of the book to change his/her story. I read this book to listen to the storytelling of someone else. In this case, I watch SGU to see how you guys tell this story.

    So, when I’ll ask some questions in the future or make comments, then it’s just because I would like to get a better understanding of the story. Not because I want you to change your creative process.

    One last comment to your today’s blog entry.

    You wrote:
    “Also realize – if it hasn’t become apparent by now – that we love our cast and are very protective of them. Trust me when I say that there’s no better way to guarantee a character’s long and fruitful stay on a show than to insist we get rid of them. Keep in mind that the simple fact others in your particular online niche share an opinion doesn’t make it the prevailing attitude among the show’s viewers.”

    Now, you throw me into a dilemma. I don’t like to be negative towards people and I love the cast. But you say the best way to keep the cast is to demand them being killed off. I hope there is another way, because I don’t want anyone of the cast to be killed off.

    I wish you a nice weekend, and please let the cast and crew know that there are people out here who really appreciate all the hard work they put into Stargate Universe.

    Dewamata (ではまた)

  49. on October 31, 2009 at 7:47 pm | Reply ZeroPointBatteries

    THANK YOU!! I have long thought that most of the nasty comments stem from those who are trying to fit sgu into sga’s shoes. Sgu is different yes, but that’s what makes it a great show. And I can’t imagine how hurt the actors and all of you are by those who can’t keep their mouth shut. Opinions are great, but not when the are at the expense of another human being. Please don’t let those individuals get you down, there are plenty of us out there who are pleased with the show and the direction in which it is moving.

    wishing sgu all the best and many seasons to come

  50. I hate it when the actions of a sub-group make things harder for the group as a whole. Over on the GateWorld forum, as well as a couple others, I voice my opinion on the Chloe/Scott relationship. But I don’t attack the actors, or the writers, or even the characters.

    My advice to anyone who can’t act mature when voicing his or her opinion: Grow up or Stop watching the show.

    To those involved on the show; I am sorry that y’all have to deal with such immaturity, I hope you will continue to focus on those of us who can voice our opinions in a civilized manor.

    This is interesting, after reading this post I no longer seem to be as annoyed by the shows developments so far…interesting.

  51. on October 31, 2009 at 7:48 pm | Reply Eternal Density

    Oh and I bet someone is tracking how much lipstick those characters which use it have left. It’ll run out eventually. Maybe there’ll be a Kinosode about that.
    Part 13 of the “47 part interview”, LOL. (kudos to whoever picked that number for Eli to say)

  52. Hey Joe,

    I haven’t commented on here in a couple days, but figured this one definitely warranted one: basically I agree with everything you’ve said. I’ve kind of kept my distance in the last little while – aside from reading your main post – because I was finding certain aspects of the comments to be entirely…moronic. That being said, I wanted to comment today.

    I only got into the whole Stargate thing last year, and my experience – up until lately – had been with a friendly and welcoming fanbase. Thus, this recent… vitriol has struck me by surprise. I have actually been ashamed to count myself among some of these people. And I feel for the actors and their families – in particular, Brian J. Smith and his mother Sherry, and Elyse Levesque – who were great enough to open up and make themselves accessible to fans only for *this* to be the reaction.

    I already posted over on that article by ShowPatrol (I believe you linked to it in yesterday’s post) so I’ve pretty much worn out my rant of sorts, but I do sincerely hope that you do not close this comment section, as it has been a great source of amusement and camaraderie until lately.

    Thank you so much Joe, for your continuing contact with us fans – I do hope that you pass on my respect and admiration to all in the production office. As I know you are aware, unfortunately it seems, as of late, that the most vocal of the fans are the ones with the, how was it you put it, “idiot comments”.

    On that note, I loved SGU last night – phenomenal episode. Each week I find myself marveling that they seem to just keep getting better!

    Oh, and please tell Carl not to glower so much at the computer – it’s not good for stress levels.

    Thank you for everything,
    Nadine Ramsden
    (naddycat on Twitter)

  53. Well said. I stand in full support of yourself & the rest of the production. Lately I have just been reading your posts, I haven’t been reading the comments or if I have its just been skimming to avoid the ugly comments from a vocal minority.

    I think maybe I erred by avoiding the comments. Perhaps I should have taken a stand to let people know that while having an opinion is fine (I love a good debate) calling a character a whore is unacceptable. I would support that these type of comments were not approved in future.

    I’m gonna keep visiting and I’ll be letting Sherry know when its safe to come back. We’re hoping its safe when you’re on your Tokyo trip and everyone will be talking about Japan.

    Cheers, Chev

  54. Joe,
    I want to say thank you for finally speaking out on the subject matter of the recent episodes, i agree whith you rant! And like you said b4 “Its not your Daddys Stargate”. This series like you said all along is its own entity, and people still want to compare it with SG1 and SGA. SGU brings a little realism to Stargate and people are upset that it doesn’t snuggly fit into Stargate lore. I for one am a fan of all series and look forward to the future of SGU, and the other 2 series movies. My heart goes out to Brian and his Mom . Its a shame that the negative comments scared her away. Please to all actors and crew and Family members of them, you guy are Stargate. Please don’t let the few bad apples spoil this Blog for you all.

  55. A while ago when you posted the pic of Ivon at the wrap party I said I had an idea. It actually wasn’t a Photoshop idea (something else entirely) but the Twitter bunch enjoyed the last Photoshop of Ivon at the Emmys so much they asked I do something with it.

    So mega thanks Joe for the original Ivon photo. I hope you don’t mind that I took it out for a spin.

    Anyhoo for those that are interested here’s Ivon Bartok

    Cheers, Chev

  56. so sad to hear about the people who were hurt by some of the comments. People need to remember that line from “Bambi” ‘if you can’t say anything nice don’t say anything at all’ I’m all for expressing your opinion but let’s “think before we post” people. If you don’t like how the show is going then just CHANGE the channel instead of bashing people. Nobody’s twisting your arm to sit and watch SGU.

    ‘kay? Thanks. =)

    On another note:

    Joe, is another side of Rush going to be shown in upcoming episodes or is what has been shown mostly what we are going to get?

  57. “So how do you think someone on the production would react to such a comment? ”

    Honestly? I would assume they’d get a good chuckle out of it.

    “Trust me when I say that there’s no better way to guarantee a character’s long and fruitful stay on a show than to insist we get rid of them.”

    Kill Rush please!! *g*

    “SGU is NOT SG-1 or Atlantis. It’s a different show in terms of tone and characters. If you’re expecting flawless people,”

    None of them were before, so I didn’t.

    ” square-jawed heroes”

    Nor that.

    ” and stories that set up and deliver all the answers over the course of a forty-five minute episode”

    This of course happened all the time. But at least you had the feeling of a story, or motion – here not so much. As for arc, Babylon 5 – clearly one of the best arc shows ever (if you think you don’t agree that’s because you’ve forgotten that you do in fact agree 😉 but they almost moved at a clip and preserved the illusion of actually having completed something by each episode.

    “you WILL be disappointed. ”

    What is life but disappointment.

    “And DON’T expect that to change. ”

    We can hope for a little less superficial teenage angst. After all do we not have the audacity of hope *g*

    “Universe will touch on the heinous topic of physically intimacy. ”

    Torchwood in space. Got’ya. Will there be kid sacrifices later? 🙂

    “then I’d suggest a deep-rooted personal issue that would be best dealt with somewhere other than this blog.”

    Hm.. you mean go after the advertisers instead – noted *g*

    “nothing will change in this respect”

    Well that’s it then – so to sum it up, just to make sure we got it right: There is no point in anything but praise here?

  58. Btw, you want to see rants – go see Kurt Sutters blog *g*

  59. on October 31, 2009 at 8:01 pm | Reply Siri Atiragram Lleof

    The characters deserve to be criticized, Scott and Chloe I mean. Not much has been done make them likable, Scott in particular. If the people on the shuttle would have died in ‘Light’ in would have been no big loss. Those characters were nobodies and so far the show hasn’t done anything to make us care if the should live or die.

    I found myself rooting for Scott to die in ‘Water,’ the first time I ever rooted for a main cast member of a Stargate series to die. So far the character has been portrayed as a man-whore.

    I like Chloe, but I don’t like how she sleeps with a guy she just met. We have words for people like that.

    Notice I criticized the characters, not the actors. The actors/actresses seem like perfectly nice people. It’s a shame the majority of the fandom wants of their characters dead.

    We don’t blame the actors. We blame the writing.

  60. Some people are apparently not appreciating what they get here: a closer look behind the scenes than any amount of DVD extras could ever hope to offer and even more amazingly: a way to connect to the crew.

    And for all that you only have to show a little bit of responsibility. In real life, you probably wouldn’t walk up to Julia Benson and scream “Nice pair of ****!” to her face. So be responsible and consider who might read your words before you post them. Even Carl can only take *so* much, you know, and he already puts up with Joe’s various antics to make us laugh =)

    As for the show: don’t change a thing, it’s incredible as it is.

  61. on October 31, 2009 at 8:05 pm | Reply Siri Atiragram Lleof

    And if so many people have a problem with the characters, it’s your fault, not ours.

    Of course, it is your show. So you’re perfectly entitled to keep around characters that you like that much of the fans hate.

  62. There’s always someone (or some group).

    Sorry to hear that Joe I hope that no one is TOO offended by these…. these….. umm… daft people 🙂 to be polite…

  63. ““Trust me when I say that there’s no better way to guarantee a character’s long and fruitful stay on a show than to insist we get rid of them.””

    btw btw, if you really mean that – that’s a really childish attitude.

  64. @J Daniels
    “Just make Rush a little more likeable (pretty please), the character has so far exhibited no redeeming qualities at all.”

    Sure he has – it just underlines the cultural divide between countries (and why they need british judges on Americas got talent etc) – the constant need to LIE all the time and constantly say fake things because that is the polite thing to do. Sometimes (often in fact) truth need to be spoke and anybody who gets upset about that should pull themselves together (and gat goes for people who leave in a huff because of a few basically harmless comments about characters on TV) – Rush has been speaking truth almost entirely – and that all the uptight twits on the ship get upset well – they are the ones who should grow up and get with the program – this is supposed to be an emmergency not night school. (and btw if any of the staff get upset over me calling fictional character uptight twits – really – do you have a life apart form work?)

    Rush has shown many good quality (he doesn’t need to redeem himself to me) – but politeness isn’t one of them. Too bad – doesn’t mean he is wrong.

    “I do love Eli♥ though, soft squishy, teddy bear that one.”

    Carefull, he’s wearing red and nobody has really complained about him! He’ll probably have died before the season ends!

    No wait, this is stargate nobody who matters ever dies … no wait, this isn’t stargate… ack – its all so confusing *G*

  65. I’ve done complaints about Chloe and Scott, yes. I have not ridiculed the actor/actress as they can only perform the material they are given. The fact that so many viewers hate these two “characters” goes back to the writers, NOT the actors. Have the writers taken a look at their own work with these characters? Do they realize how these two are coming across to the audience? Do they really think Scott is our “beloved hero” as in John Sheppard or Jack O’Neill? I would recommend rewatching episodes and trying to view the final edited product as a viewer would, especially since there are rumors that cast and writers don’t even watch the show when it is broadcast. You might be surprised at just how poorly these two characters are coming across.

  66. Wow, amazed to see that even after this post (and some of the supporting comments by various people) there are still those who insist on spewing their vicious comments…
    I think I’m going to have to avoid reading most of the other comments for a while – just makes me way too annoyed….

    Once again, please do keep up the amazing work!
    Nadine Ramsden

  67. I can’t comment on anything that’s happened on any episode of SGU since I don’t (and never will) watch it but I do have a few comments ie: your above rant.

    It’s never cool when an actor/actress is attacked for something a character does. They’re not the ones calling the shots and certainly not the ones writing it. That being said, there’ve been plenty of times where I’ve loathed a character and liked the actor just fine. Jewel Staite comes to mind here. I was big into ‘Space Cases’ when it was on TV (Jewel played Catalina on that show) and even ran the official site for Kristian Ayre who was also on that show for a time until my panic disorder got so bad I had to give it up. Jewel used to come into the Space Cases chat rooms on AOL back then (along with her mom) which I thought was way cool. But, I hated the character of Dr. Keller on Atlantis. It was nothing against Jewel or her acting, it was 100% the character.

    That being said, some thicker skins should be in order when it comes to comments made specifically about a *character*.

    “Trust me when I say that there’s no better way to guarantee a character’s long and fruitful stay on a show than to insist we get rid of them.”

    This comment bugged me, Joe. When fans are telling you they don’t like a character, they’re telling you something that is lessening their enjoyment of the show you’re creating. Shouldn’t you at least take their feelings into account since without an audience you have no show? And what about Weir and Beckett on Atlantis? Where were their ‘long and fruitful’ stays?

  68. @Jimbo

    “I find it interesting that so many “loyal” Stargate fans gave so much negativity towards SGU, yet still watch it”

    But do they call themselves “loyal” or do you? Besides *nothing* is perfect.

    “these online thugs are the ones bitter from SGA being finished.”

    Don’t know if you consider me one of the “online thugs”, but just in case: I’m not bitter about SGA finishing (it wasn’t that good either *g*)

    “Now, I have a recommendation: mucho space battles. ”

    A space battle is always nice – but is it compatible with nuevo stargate do you think? 🙂

    “I was actually saying, “Hey, I wouldn’t mind if Chloe didn’t exist in the show.” Which obviously isn’t quite an appropriate thing to say when the people involved with production actually read these comments.”

    Not so obvious? If you don’t like the character, you don’t like the character – and why shouldn’t you say it? Of course now that we know it would make no difference, there is little point in saying it – but I don’t see why you couldn’t. Its not the dislike that is wrong, but the way you put it could possibly be.

  69. on October 31, 2009 at 8:31 pm | Reply suziesbluefeather

    ok I haven’t been keeping up with the posts like I should so I do not know what comments have been made.

    Please tell Carl, Brian’s mom, and all those involved with the show that I am very much in love with SGU and think what I have been viewing as a show is a by product of hard, honest, and tiring work. And that I am very thankful for the opportunity to have them share their talent’s with me.

  70. Hey Joe, Ive been reading your blog for at least 3 years and i am making my first comment. All i wanted to say was well said! Im sick of hearing stupid comments about SGU. Its a great show and very well done. I wasnt totally convinced the first time i watched because i do like shoot em up episodes but this show is clever and edge of your seat stuff without having gun fights and such. Im from Australia and i watch every friday night. Keep up the great work to you and everyone on the show. I have one question though as my memory fails me, When SGA started, was there this much critisism of the cast?


  71. Joe —

    Thank you for so cogently making the points which seem to need to be made repeatedly with fandoms.

    For every moment of screen time there are many real people involved. Real people with real feelings that can be injured.

    I hope Brian and the other folks involved with the production of SGU realize that the majority of us are grateful for all their hard work. And that their families realize that the obnoxious, obsessed fringe element is by far the minority.

    I’ve only watched Water once, so my impressions are still less focused than they will be later. I second the appreciation of the way Lt. James behaved. I was afraid for a moment that things were going to go down a bad road, but I should have had faith in you PTBs. Scott deserved the verbal jab, but she didn’t take it out on Chloe.

    Glad to see TJ stepping up. I thought Alaina Huffman did a great job. I’m feeling the “wrong people” having to dig down and find their heroism vibe growing each episode and it was TJ’s turn in Water.

    I do wonder if I’m the only person having fandom flashbacks to the Star Trek: The Next Generation situation when Patrick Stewart became the break-out heart throb against all expectations. I keep getting that feeling every time Louis Ferreira is on screen. Yes, Brian and Jamil are both handsome and talented. David is cute, funny and talented. But there is just something about Louis that says this is the guy to watch.

  72. It’s all about the tone. Well, okay, words count, too, but the anger in some posts leaves me speechless. There’s a huge difference between discussing your opinion and berating people for not seeing that they should agree with you!

    It also confuses me because, as I’ve said before to the point of becoming monotonous, I come here for fun. Why would anyone who didn’t like the show (to that degree) or the writers waste their time hanging out here?? Again, I mean to that degree.

    Sometimes I think I have an advantage in that my employer can and does check on my online life. Before I hit “submit,” I always imagine my supervisor reading my post. He might think I’m a dork, but I don’t want him to think I’m an idiot.

    The characters on Universe are not all doing what I think they should do. I will admit to yelling at them, purely through the TV, telling them what they need to do. That is the sum total of my efforts to control a show.

    I am amazed, again and again, at the talent that goes into the Stargate shows, from music to writing to acting to costumes to everything I can’t think of right now. There are so many talented people working on this show, and that alone makes it a joy to watch what they’ve created. In this particular show, I love the unanswered questions, the unresolved discussions of ethics, and wondering how far Dr Rush is willing to go for the greater good.

    Well, I believe this post would not be detrimental to my next employee review, so I believe I will send it. Night, everyone!

  73. Thank you Joe!!!

    I have stopped reading comments lately (or skim them at most) because of what has been said by some people. I don’t even bother to go on the Gateworld forums any more because I just get frustrated. These people have no idea what it takes to create/wright/produce a scifi tv show. They also seem to have no idea how much the actors put into giving us high quality entertainment.

    I went to DragonCon in Atlanta in September (my first convention) and it made me love the actors even more. They took the time to come and spend the weekend with fans. Sure, they made money off of photos, etc. but they could have decided to stay home and spend the time with their families. Every Stargate actor that I met and talked to that weekend was so nice. I met Paul 3 times and each time he was great. And I even got to hug Ben! It was awesome. From what I saw and heard from others, not every fandom has actors like us. I got my photo with Paul and Joe and in it Paul stole my P90 (and Joe made fun of the fact that I’m Canadian) and it made for a hilarious photo. In photos of other fandoms, people have said that the actors didn’t even look at them or get a handshake or anything. We should feel lucky that as Stargate fans our actors enjoy making the show just as much as we enjoy watching it. I hope that Brian goes to DragonCon next year so I can personally thank him.

    The Stargate franchise has given us fans so much and some “fans” think that they could do better. If they hate it so much why do they call themselves fans and why do they watch it. It bothers me that people hated the show before the first episode was even written. Some of them continue to watch it just to complain about it.

    My rant is done so now onto why I love SGU:

    So far I am loving SGU. Rush and Scott are my favourites and they have been from the start. They characters that I didn’t enjoy in the first few episodes are growing on me. I don’t mind the relationship stuff. People have to realize that the crew is cut off from their loved ones and they are confined to a relatively small area, relationships are going to happen – and they have in varying degrees in all Stargates. The Chloe/Scott thing makes me feel sad for Eli. Eli is probably the most relatable character for me (and a friend agrees) and I enjoyed the Star Wars joke a little too much. I love the spacesuits as well. The art/model department did a great job with those.

    Do we know if/when there will be a midseason break or will SGU play through with just a short break over the holidays?

    Make sure to tell the cast and crew that we love them and to keep up the amazing job! I hope we hear about season 2 soon!

  74. I think SG:U is awesome and a very exciting new take on the franchise. I hope it continues for a good run and gets the praise it deserves. 🙂

  75. My dad loves stargate universe and he’s 70 next year, he saw the move, the series and is the biggest critic i know. nuff said, my mum on the other hand is a crazy thai woman in her 50’s but i say 60’s who dosent understand a thing about stargate except she says she saw one of those things on destiny when she was younger weird.

    sorry bout all the shit your having, to put it bluntly, but hey debating, isnt that what the ancients left us here for….

    You all rule, even those who are commenting, you keep a story alive so thank you too. Heres to many more stories….

    also joe… have a good day, i finished work at 4am this morning uk time, its raining… hard…. it was halloween so in the uk it means girls dressing in nothing, literally there was a girl in just a tissue she said she was a mummy… but i didnt belive her….i met a silent bob…. but of all the lot…. for the first time ever…. i met SG-1, a grumpy general, a black man painted gold, a very smart chick and the nerdiest of nerds. I mean SG1 for halloween, legends…. where can i send you a pic. have a good night my friend, well you know what i mean.

    have a good one

  76. *chokes* Blame the WRITING??? Seriously?? Wow. That’s just… wow. Really, words just cannot encompass the sense of futility I sometimes feel in the face of such… glaring unwillingness to display even a modicum of decency.

    Yeah, I think I’m going to be avoiding the comments.

    Just realized: with all the furor, I forgot to inquire about what’s *really* important…

    How are the dogs? I do hope no sudden health problems or anything have cropped up? Did you dress them up for Halloween? Are they scared of the firecrackers? Our little one Bella really doesn’t seem to like them much…

    Nadine Ramsden

  77. I feel a bit queasy reading your post. I might complain about writing, relationships, not even female characters… but for people to attack actors who are doing their job? Yes they are idiots. Then the same idiots wonder why the actors don’t attempt to connect with fans? Gee wonder why? FWIW please express to Brian and his mother that not all fans are so impressively STUPID as to confuse a role with an actor.

    Whatever my complaints, you have a spectacular group of talent on that show. They step up to the plate, they work every line given. The complexity of this shows’ characters is great and for those so shallow as to call even a character a vile name just because they have sex…well, like you said they need help they won’t be able to get on a forum.

    Do I think SGU is perfect or you all walk on water? Nah. But you are great. And when I am whining about the women’s roles, I try to make sure I add in how much you hit the mark otherwise. I do not imagine my complaints are an issue, but if I ever cross the line, don’t post it. I won’t pout or rant. I’ll consider how to word it better next time.

    You give so much, more than any writer other than maybe JMStrazynski back in B5 days, and anyone who doesn’t respect the amount of you that goes into it… screw them. Yours is the only blog I read daily. Some tough days you give me the only real laugh. Don’t let the buzzards get you down.

  78. Hi Joe,

    Being a fan of the stargate franchise ( Sg1, Universe and my beloved Atlantis) for almost 9 years now and a regular in your blog since November 13, 2007, I have never seen you this pissed off before. Shame on the people insulting hard working individuals such as the Universe cast but even more so shame on them for not respecting scifi art such as SGU and thats not to throw roses at you all but one has to recognize quality and worthy work when one sees it.
    Come to think of it Joe, why are you even wasting your time with ignorant fucks such as these; you are either too diplomatic my friend or too nice.
    On a brighter note, Kudos to Carl Binder on Water. I enjoyed a lot and definitely liked the interaction of this new genre of alien lifeform….that doesnt speak english and is not humanoid.
    Moreover, I hear from various spoilers and teaser pics that Mr.Martin Gero’s Earth, airing as of next week, will probably be the best eppy as of yet.
    A couple of questions that will not require you to ingest some advil or aspirin:

    1. How’s Mrs. Mallozzi fairing? Wish her the best from us loyal fans.

    2. Are you considering taking the H1N1 flu shot, because its really creating a big controversy here in Montreal. Half the people I ask are either lining up to take it or have taken it already and the other half are swearing that they prefer to sever a limb than take it…. what to do? Whats your take on this?

    3. Whats the verdict on the S5 proposal… I wasnt joking man!!

  79. Thank you very much for sharing that interesting BTS footage.

    Watching that episode…I was wondering what it
    must have been like to shoot all of those wild looking
    ice planet scenes.

    The finished product came off looking really good…which in this case means that everything came off looking really
    bad on screen…weather wise.

    A *big* “job well done” salute to the SGU VFX crew.

    I am really looking forward to seeing what they did
    with that big tropical rainforest set/shoot.

    I am really getting a good kick out of how the
    new show is progressing and moving along.
    There are so many juicy characters to try and learn
    all about and play around with in that process.
    The story started out good..and things seem to only
    be getting better and better.

    Season 2?……hell…come on Season 3!

  80. Water was yet another great episode…It’s funny how all three Stargate series started out strong, unlike some other sci-fi series that had horrible first seasons and then got better as the years passed.




    I loved Eli’s “hover sled!” Great idea. I don’t think Rush treated him very well. He is a civilian and has only been involved with the military for a few weeks. He thinks people should be more truthful, and for the most part he is correct. He is being used as a spy by Young, and a bunch of the crew want him to be their mole. He is lucky he is still sane.

    Nice touch bringing back the sand creature. I guess it isn’t an ascended ancient after all.

    Nice to see Young and Scott out in the field together, Commander and 2IC. Also nice to see TJ do a pretty good job in her first opportunity in command.

    I think the loudmouth will eventually team up with Telford to take control of the ship. Well, maybe not that extreme, but we will see.

    Line of the night:
    Young: “Eli, clean up this room.”
    I was expecting Eli to say “Ok, Dad.”

    Can’t wait until next week, looks like Telford is making his move.

    One Atlantis question: In Enemy at the Gate, after the Control Chair was destroyed at Area 51, could they find another control chair somewhere else(Taonas) and bring it to Earth to fire the drones?

  81. Well said, Joe! Differing opinions and disliking something are fine, just so long as it’s not conveyed in a negative manner. People need to remember to be respectful!

    Remember this blog readers: Just because you can hide behind a screen name, making it easier to say whatever it is you want to say, your words can be just as hurtful as if you said them in person! That sticks and stones saying is nonsense; words can leave a lasting hurt.

  82. I think it’s obvious that the all ‘loyal online fanbase’ thing is not working with “character drama” shows like BSG or SGU any longer (if it’s ever worked).

    Most of the fellow trolls never taking their whining (or whatever) comments very seriously. I mean they not imagining insulted Brian J. Smith (or his Mother) reading comments like “blah, Scott was such a [—]bag today, totally. Boy literally f[—]cks everything that moves in the whole Universe…” or confused Elyse Levesque reading lines sort of “Mighty Lord, Chloe is so looks like space-whore now… I hope she will die painfully very very soon. Oh blah blah blah” etc.

    With all the angry fans, pissed off about prematurely cancelled Atlantis and some “soap opera’ish” SGU scenes, you mean this isn’t what show masterminds was expecting? Best thing that some cast and crew members can do, is leaving the “fanbase” alone with their anger. I mean, you can always find something what might insult you or your friends on the Internets. Such is life.

    And for the actors. Come on, you’re at least get some money for this stuff. More crap what “fans” pouring on your SGU characters, is equivalent to getting more popularity for your persona. You’re lucky anyway, for [—] sake!

    I know SGU is not BSG. Still sometimes good old “FRAK” really missing to me in a few scenes. Maybe SGU need to invent their own PG-safe bomb word or, why not, just use one from Galactica. I’m pretty sure that Eli watched that show back home.

  83. I give my congratulations to SGU, because I really think that the Stargate needed a change. Some things were very repetitive in SGA and SG1. Thinking in black x white, right x wrong … is not the best way and SGU seems to change that.
    I also want to ask a question: In SGU will have meeting with aliens as they occurred in SG1. New aliens, new technologies, and the main these aliens spoke English? I always thought it strange?
    Hugs from Brazil!

  84. also, ive ELECTED myself, Paddy, (the half thai/irsh hybrid, an expert on all things stargate!) to be the one that takes the flack joe…. If theres a problem on set just mutter “its paddy’s fault…”
    and i know im new here, posting… but ive been in the shadows for many years, if you dont like the show, simple just dont watch it, but these people are people… real people.

    please by the way if you get the chance i know your busy that the unloved was truly great, and it was a wonderful british movie, seeing the interviews and living in the uk, its shame what happens happened. (hope that makes sense)

    but if your angry about the way SGU is going, if u feel you need to shout, swear and insult… email me thomasfenn@hotmail.co.uk or ask a question like why would i do this…

    PS. whats gonna happen when Sabotage airs…
    PPS sorry for spelling mistakes, its 5am, and i just finished work… what time is it where you are…

  85. If your life is so trivial and empty of any real meaning that you find it within yourself to HATE a fictional character — not just dislike but hate — and keep coming back week after week to find more justification for your continued hatred…

    Then really… all I can do is feel sorry for you.

  86. Flying Kino Table- Awesome!

    I’ll take six.

  87. Paddys Post Part 3 (surly i should make you wait a week for this)

    but i meant to say : please by the way if you get the chance if you pass Mr Robert Carlye, i know your busy but tell him that “the unloved” was truly great, and it was a wonderful british movie, seeing the interviews and living in the uk, its shame what happens happened. (hope that makes sense)

  88. Actually, I thought you were much more eloquent this time around. Fans sometimes tend to take such a display of raw anger personally.

    While I think SGU is deserving of harsh criticism, it saddens me to hear that the production staff and family of the actors are taking it so hard. If any of you are still bothering to read comments, please, I assure you that not all of us are cruel and immature and eager to lash out so irrationally as some people on this blog have done. Sci-fi fans have always had to live down the reputations of that 1% of fandom that goes too far or can’t distinguish reality from fiction, and it pains me to think that there are still people out there trying to ruin the fun and joy for everyone else just because they’re too angry to care any more.

    I mean, seriously… What does it say to Joe and the rest of the production staff if a fan goes nuts with the nasty insults? It just proves to them that we’re not smart enough to know any better, much less know what we really want to see on television. But what if our fandom decided speak with their remotes and protest by switching the channel instead? I guarantee you that this, plus maybe a politely-worded bit of constructive criticism, will get us a lot more attention than publicly-directed nasty comments.

    Joe, please give Carl Binder my regards — ‘Phantoms’ is still my all-time favorite Stargate episode! I just about gave up on SGU as a soapy, watered-down version of the Stargate I loved, but I decided to give ‘Water’ a try because of how much I like his writing. I really wanted to give SGU a proper chance, but this is the only episode so far that’s been even remotely interesting and had any real substance for me. I prefer more plot and less pointless UST and inane drivel, and this one was pretty good. If there is a season 2, can you get Carl to write more scripts?

  89. on October 31, 2009 at 9:07 pm | Reply Major D. Davis

    Dang. Sorry to hear.

    I mean I have to agree with everything you said. It’s unfair to call characters and more importantly actors whores. I think it’s totally unfair. And I do agree and echo everything you said. Only one quote tasked a concern for me.

    And that’s fine.  I don’t mind continuing to read and approve your comments on the subject so long as you don’t mind knowing that nothing will change in this respect and that if you were offended by that broom closet scene in Air I, I guarantee you’ll be clawing your eyes out of your skull given what we have in store later this season.

    Ok let me first say for one I think it was just me interpreting it the wrong way. I don’t mind scenes in sgu like the one in light. Very tastefully and modestly done. However this comment sounds like you are going to up the sex level in the show and make the scenes more graphic. I don’t think that is the case, it just comes across that way. I don’t mind sexual issues being delt with or modest scenes like in water and light, but graphic, out of place and titilating sex is not cool IMO. Just my 2 cents. But again, I think I’m interpreting it the wrong way.

  90. I’ve been scrolling past most of the comments because I don’t want to be spoiled. I’m behind by an episode. I can’t believe that people would come here and make comments like that. Boggles the mind. They should know how protective you are of the actors and crew. I just can’t believe that people have treated Brian J. Smith that badly. Some people in fandom need to take a step back and look at how they act. Brian is a terrific young actor who will definitely go places. He’s doing a great job!

    So keep on being protective and rant when you need it. I don’t blame you one bit. SGU is not SG-1 and SGA, thank goodness. I wouldn’t want it to be either. Admittedly, I was a little shocked by the scene in Air, but if people would look at the ratings (TV-14), they should know that there will be adult situations occurring. I like it that the writers are exploring relationships on SGU. People do not operate in a vacuum. They love, they fight, they mess up, they have sex too.

    Keep up the good work. It’s a thankless task being a producer and writer. Give Carl a hug. Or maybe not. Don’t hug Ashleigh, because she’s sick. I hope she’s feeling better.

  91. @ JoeM.
    Copying my suggestions to posters over from yesterday. I think they complement your “rant” but won’t be hurt if you don’t agree.

    Hey, folks, do the delayed viewers a break and use a
    and spoiler space as shown when discussing the episode just broadcast in USA. Our friends who tape-delay or are outside USA will appreciate it, and Joe probably doesn’t have time to do it himself.

  92. Wow, you hit the nail on the head. I just started reading your blog about a week or two ago and I must say I was surprised by the rude criticism and negativity that some people displayed. Thank you so much for addressing that.
    It’s sad that the actors are getting abused for the parts they play. It’s not their fault that people don’t like them and the fans should support them, not hurt them.

    I just wanted to say thanks for having this blog and for keeping it open to fan’s questions. It can be a two-edged sword in some ways, but I know that I appreciate it very much. Also with Twitter, it’s so great to be able to communicate with the actors and talk about the show. I’m so sorry that people have been misusing that privilege.

    I happen to absolutely love the show. I love how real it is and how three dimensional and believable the character are. All the of the actors are doing an incredible job. Sure the characters aren’t perfect, I wouldn’t want them to be. I rather like them with their flaws. It’s what makes them human and easy for us to identify with.

    Please let the actors know that it doesn’t matter what some may say, there are tons of fans that support them no matter what. This is my favorite of the Stargate shows and I hope we get to see many seasons to come.

    Please keep up the wonderful work. I can’t wait to see the rest of the season. Friday night’s really are the highlight of my week.

    Thank you so much for having this blog and for being willing to communicate with fans. I very much appreciate it. I hope other fans realize just how much hurt they can cause with their words.

    To those fans out there…think before you type!!! You’ll save yourself embarrassment and you’ll keep others from being hurt. Do yourself a favor, THINK! If you wouldn’t want it said about you, don’t say it about someone else!

  93. on October 31, 2009 at 9:12 pm | Reply susan the tartan turtle

    You can’t please all of the people all of the time, but you can please some of the people some of the time.

    It is only a TV programme – the actors are only earning a living.

    It is one thing to do something ‘positive’ for the Stargate community (Save Carson campaign neither hurt nor upset anybody) but to take things to a level where they are alienating the actor (and, more importantly, his mum) to our community then it is a nasty thing perpetrated by nasty people.

    AnneTeldy I never thought of that interpretation for Young’s apparant collapse. I have been watching him like a hawk waiting for him to keel over.


  94. Second and last item copied over from 31 Oct. Good night and sweet dreams.

    So many comments, so little time…*sigh*

    It seems the online fan community has picked up new members with the new show. It wasn’t so long ago (2002) that I was a newbie. So besides my spoiler space comment above, a few other suggestions for the newer folks:

    –Google “Internet etiquette” for some basic do’s and don’ts

    –Take advantage of Gateworld’s resources; your questions may be answered by the Omnipedia entries or episode transcripts.

    –If you can, watch the episode a second time. I often find something I missed the first time.

    –Tolerate English errors unless the errors interfere with understanding. English is not the first language of some of the commenters. Also, some of us are dealing with Mac or iPhone keyboards.

    –Conversely, please preview and edit your posts. You might have a great thought, but it might get lost if you use a paragraph instead of a sentence.

    –Remember, Season 1 is DONE as far as scripts and shooting are concerned. There is little we fans can say that will affect the finished episodes.

    You’re welcome to take or leave the above advice.

    As for the trolls on Twitter, *sigh*, one of my favorite sayings is, “Never try to teach a pig to sing. It will frustrate you and annoy the pig.”

  95. “I don’t mind sexual issues being delt with or modest scenes like in water and light, but graphic, out of place and titilating sex is not cool IMO.”

    I guess it sort of depends on what you consider ‘graphic’. Probably the most explicit stuff I’ve seen on SciFi (or whatever they’re calling themselves these days) has been on BSG, and even that was pretty mild compared to what you get on some of the pay-for channels these days.

  96. Oh wow. How surprising, it’s Joe’s “everybody that doesn’t like my show is an idiot” rant. I so wasn’t expecting this. What do you expect when you contribute to a show that’s been dumbed down and sexified into a soap and then tack on the name of a beloved and actually intelligent franchise? I don’t have anything against the actors, but I can truly say I hate most of the characters. They’re more than just people with character flaws. They’re unashamedly indecent individuals. They aren’t even recognizing their flaws or trying to change them. The problem is that some of their flaws, like hooking up for a night, are condoned by the writers themselves. I don’t blame the actors. I don’t blame you because I haven’t seen any of your SGU stuff. (although I do blame you for seasons 4&5 of SGA, that’s a whole nother topic) I blame Brad and Robert. I don’t think their dumb. I don’t think they’re evil master minds. I think they’re either righting the show for money alone and they know that this junk sales, or their tastes have gone sour since SG-1. Either way, I blame them for making a show like this. I’m sorry if I hurt someone’s feelings with this comment and I apologize if they they spend tonight crying. I just am slightly annoyed that what was once a good show has lowered itself to the trash that is mainstream.

    Oops, I guess I wrote an Idiot comment.

    Also, I didn’t watch Water and I’m not planning on watching any more SGU. I’d like to make sure you guys lose at least one viewer while I’m spreading bad publicity about the show. I’ve seen and heard from you enough to know that this show is not worth my time.

    Hm, at the risk of sounding like a negative person, I’ll try to make a complement. The show sure has awesome Special Effects.

  97. Joe, wonderful rant! I love it mostly because you are teaching us how to constuctively voice our opinions. I think I can do it, and since I have an extra hour to kill because of the time change, I’d like to give it a shot. See if you approve…

    I’d like to address the shakey camera work specifically in the fantastic episode “Water”. I realize (at least I think) the director is going for an edgy look when they shake the camera. I find it distracting. Your Director of Photography, James Alfred Menard, is a multiple Leo Award nominee over a great span of at least 10 years. His work is awesome and the SGU look and camera work this year has been nothing short of stunning thanks to Jim and his crew! Yet I notice when the camera shakes and jumps around my eyebrows furrow and I become a little irritable. This sort of awakens me out of the Stargate tunnel vision gawk I got going on during your shows, and I am more attuned to the camera and not the scene. It is just a little distracting, but I appreciate the different camera work being tried. Jim Menard is such a professional maybe he could shoot the scene a different way and still get “the look” he is going for. Jim is the master! Just a thought. Thanks for your attention.

  98. Thanks Joe for posting this. As rants go, I’d have to say that was very measured. And definitely mild compared to the abusive rants we’ve seen in a lot of posts lately. (I guess that shows what happens when someone puts *thought* into a post, *before* posting.)

    I’m enjoying SGU. I like that I have a lot of questions still about the characters. I like that I’m wondering whether Rush is really a jerk, or whether he’s just trying to make everyone think he is (and if so, why). I like that I’m worried Colonel Young’s keeping secrets from most of Destiny’s civilians (and some lower-ranking military) will lead to mutiny down the road. I like that Scott can be irresponsible sometimes, like 20-somethings tend to be. And I like Eli, but also realize that the geek doesn’t usually get the girl and Young and Chloe hooking up is more realistic. I like that the characters have flaws just like every human being has flaws, and that they don’t always get along with each other. It makes the show more believable and more interesting.

    I was a big fan of SG-1 and Atlantis, but I’m totally OK with SGU being different. After all, I have 15 seasons of the other series on DVD to turn to if I miss them.

    And I’m sorry for all the crap you and others in the production have had to put up with. Tell Carl we love him (but hopefully not in a creepy stalker net fandom way) and would miss his photo and video contributions to this blog (although maybe he shouldn’t be subjected to another WFPOTD).

    – sorrykb (especially sorry today, and so using my full name)

  99. I want Brian back on twitter. 😦 He was awesome.

  100. THANK YOU!!!

    When I read some of the “bad” comments about the James/Scott/Chloe situation I was, not inconsiderably, angry. It’s a TV show, a great TV show and one that I, personally, love, but it is a TV show none-the-less. I think that if, as a viewer, you’ve really got that much of an issue with something that is happening you should just change the channel. And if you feel the need to make some comment (critical or otherwise) about it, don’t be a jerk. I can tell you that I don’t like something without having to be, as you said, an idiot about it.

    I was very disappointed when Brian announced earlier this week on Twitter that he wasn’t going to continue his online correspondence with fans. One of the things that really got me heavily involved with the whole Twitter-thing was being able to chat with and discuss episodes with the actors online. So yeah, I’m annoyed that some of the fans actions are affecting the rest of us so negatively. I am therefore very glad that someone (quite a few someone’s actually) have taken the time to make a stand and say something. Like I said to start with thank you. Maybe you’ll get through to some of the people that the rest of us just couldn’t reach!!

    (@apalusalight on Twitter)

  101. why is it that violence is so much more acceptable than sex on TV? that’s always seemed so ass backwards. also, if someone really has so many problems with the show, there are like 800 other channels to watch. constructive criticism is one thing, but being cruel will get you nowhere.

  102. Another Halloween of no adorable costumed kidlings at my door. I guess apartment buildings are too scary.

    No little princesses or Jedi warriors to oogle over. But even these kids know the difference between playing and reality. What’s really scary is I didn’t realize there were such small minds in adult bodies. I can’t believe that people would personally attack an actor for a part he was playing.

    I’m not a huge fan of SGU yet. But I absolutely respect the hard work and long hours every actor, writer, producer and crew member has given for this show. Equally, I can’t thank Joe enough for allowing us, the fans, to voice our concerns and appreciation in all things Stargate related. It’s extraordinary for someone in this business to be so open and available to the public.

    Ok, enough smoozing, I have a couple of questions:

    I believe you mentioned that SGU was going be science-lite in comparison to SG-1 and SGA. But was there a reason why traveling through a sun only provided 40% of the power capacity to the ship? Or did I miss something?

    Also, I don’t care if Scott is in a broom closet having sex or sweeping the broom closet clean. I have a problem with him being intentionally out of communication with his commander to the point that someone has to go look for him, as he was in “Water”, when they’re in such a dire situation. That to me is irresponsible. And Young saying what a great guy he is doesn’t smooth it over for me. Is Scott heading for a smack down at some point?

    And when is Carl getting his own show?

  103. I wasn’t thinking clearly and wrote:
    >and Young and Chloe hooking up is more realistic.

    OK, just to be clear, I meant SCOTT and Chloe.

    Although… Hmmm…… 😉

    And here I was criticizing people for not thinking before posting. Oops.

    – sorry(er)KB

  104. @Shadow Step – Love ya!!! And I hope no one takes you too seriously. That is – if they’re to take you seriously at all. *g* I hope you don’t mind my saying this.

    Okay, It’s late and I’m tired. I’ll try to write something tomorrow, respectfully of course. That’s been my theme.



    P.S. I hope Maximus is doing alright.

  105. Hey Joe,

    Very nice RANT. Nuff said.

    Best to you Joe,
    Cheryl 🙂

    P.S. After the blog, I will hit “end” and skip all comments. I really am here to read you.

  106. on October 31, 2009 at 9:59 pm | Reply Tim the Technician

    *adds his tick of approval for this rant* Well said. I am always impressed with your rants Joe because you beat down the illogical with simple logic, and without resorting to their level of whining. Hear hear!


  107. I agree with you a thousand percent, but I’m TIRED of these idiots getting ALL this attention. That’s what they feed on. And the more attention they get, the more vocal they become. If I’ve learned anything in years of fandom is that the only way to deal with people like this is to IGNORE THEM.

    It’s not easy to do when you’re being personally attacked, but it’s the only thing that has ever worked. I tried to fight the good fight years ago in another fandom, and it only got worse and worse until I put up the big ol’ TALK TO THE HAND, and it all settled out.

    There are always going to be mouthy jerks saying really cruel and inappropriate things. I’m sorry that the actors are being subjected to the kinds of verbal abuse that most of us sane fans have been subjected to for years while participating in fandom. But the majority of us aren’t mouthy jerks, and I hope we can move on to other topics.

  108. on October 31, 2009 at 10:05 pm | Reply Jason "The Chef"

    Romance and intimacy doesn’t immediately equate to sex in my mind. That can indeed lead to it, and better if more of it. The 1 minute out of 270 that has been played perhaps just isn’t enough and why so many seem put off by that part of SGU. It just seems too sudden, and I think for some it comes across as off putting rather than story involving. In and out without any real explanation or introduction. Like it was put in there by obligation to fit the cookie cutter “Edgy” without actually exploring the moments a bit more or leading into them with more, well foreplay.

    For example, it would have been great to see more buildup of the scene between Scott-James by perhaps having more than just one 15 second seen of hard action in the broom closet, but perhaps some flash scenes of some steamy making out or something before that part comes and he gets called away.

    Then with the other, maybe spend a little more time (I just spent the day re-watching all episodes to make sure) in foreshadow with the eventual Scott-Chloe liaison that happens so it at least isn’t so surprising that Scott is a loverboy and Chloe is exploring more of a wild side. It would have made more sense whilst still in the process of (and I know I am not alone in this) getting into the situation the characters are in, marveling at the million year old ancient tech, admiring the ship, effects, and learning about the show.

    Stargate in general has always been about the exploration of the universe and growing towards a point where it can be more “fifth race” like. That should also continue to hold true in this inadvertent (or perhaps we’ll find out, on purpose) situation this group of people find themselves in while trapped on Destiny. That said, I was getting into the exploration parts of this show when out of the blue, broom closet.

    It just seemed too rushed, too soon.

    I really hope that perhaps this point might come through. It’s not the inclusion of sex in and of itself it is how abrupt and without enough explanation to fill out the why. Hell I have been a fan of Stargate since the movie AND Children of the Gods when it aired for the first time on Showtime complete with nudity and well written moments where a curse word was needed. Any true fan can acknowledge that Stargate was never puritanical in nature. I would just like to see more detail in these relationships going on.

    Maybe S2?

  109. on October 31, 2009 at 10:06 pm | Reply hegemonmonster

    Since both Scott and TJ are the same rank…what makes Scott second in command behind Col. Young?
    His decision to turn off his comm. unit while making out with Chloe showed less than stellar judgement, whereas TJ has shown herself to be a capable leader.

    I thought the dust alien was a bit reminiscent of the water creature in The Abyss…especially when it mimicked TJ’s face.

  110. I feel bad for Brian and especially his mom as she is so rightfully proud of him. It’s a constant battle in the forums with people who seem to join just to rant. The majority of them have no clue about how the business works or what it takes to produce a show. I must confess I stop reading those sorts of posts after the first few words.

    I am a SG1/SGA fan and I love the way SGU has gone. Things need to evolve and adapt if they’re going to survive and I like the fresh coat of paint that’s been applied to the franchise. The visuals are stunning and Joel has really outdone himself with the music.

    Looking forward to more.


  111. Hey Joe, I’ve been reading your blog for about a year now, never really read the comments or actually commented on anything before, but you did great with the rant. Some people really need to lighten up and realize that SGU is a TV show, not real life. It’s entertainment, pure and simple. The actors, writers and crew try their best to do that. If you don’t like it and it doesn’t entertain you, then don’t watch it. It’s as simple as that.
    If you don’t like a show, that’s what you do. You don’t watch it solely for the purpose of having enough fuel to try and burn the people that work their asses off to make it.

    As you’ve said, people legitimately criticising the show or pointing out something they don’t like in a civilized manner are welcomed to do so.
    Anyway, let Brian J. Smith (and Carl) know that people appreciate what he and everyone else are doing.

    Oh, and being a 24 year old guy who bonded with his current girlfriend of two years over a personal loss and mutual understanding, much the same as Scott And Chloe, what happened between them wasn’t exactly outlandish.
    Great Job and looking forward to the rest of season 1 ) and hopefully more.

  112. I hope that my comments have accurately reflected my enjoyment of SGU. I’ve fully enjoyed all of the incarnations of the SG franchise. In fact I’ve gotten one of my best friends in to the franchise, even though he thought the idea of a gate was silly. Now we both love SGU. I agree that some ‘fans’ get kinda out of control when it comes to their opinions. What I find dumbfounding is the fact that they continue to watch the show.

    I’m really glad that you said what I’ve been thinking. Especially the bit about killing, torture, and violence generally being acceptable while physical intimacy is regarded as something unacceptable. I was talking to my SG convert best friend and he made the same observation. What’s more is that sitcoms and dramas of other genres have been showing similar levels of physical intimacy for years and there’s been little uproar. In fact in the audio commentaries… yes I remember stuff from the commentaries… comments were made at the high Jaffa body counts in certain episodes.

    I’m sorry to hear that actors and their families and the SG production staff have been upset by the comments of some people, again I hope that what I’ve said has been in good taste. I for one have never meant to offend or upset anyone, even other posters. I just want to add to the discussion of the episodes and of course the wonderful blog entries.

  113. on October 31, 2009 at 10:23 pm | Reply heatherhughson

    I think people forget that there are real people reading what they are posting on the internet. It’s a lot easier to insult someone and be critical when it’s not to their face. It’s wrong and it’s hurtful, people need to learn to look over their comments and determine if they would say it to the person’s face, if not, don’t post, if yes… well then maybe they’re an inconsiderate jerk, or maybe not, most likely the first.

    Good rule of thumb, constructive criticism, if you don’t like something then fine that’s your right. But if you are telling someone back it up with a HELPFUL and INTELLIGENT suggestion.

    “Chloe is a whore, you should kill her off,” this comment is neither helpful nor intelligent.

    People need to get out of their fantasy worlds and remember that the actors and actresses are doing just that, acting. They have done nothing to deserve the treatment they are recieving, and these so called fans ruin it for those of us that actually respect SGU for what it is.

    Those of you that don’t like it, why don’t you just do back to watching Survivor cycle 54 or America’s next top model cycle 153( it certainly feels like it) and spare me from having to hang on to my IQ points for dear life everytime I read you’re mind numbing comments.

    *deep breath* you’re rant made me rant along with you, I completely agree with you….obviously

  114. Wonderful, fantastic post.

    I’ve found, over the course of my years of internet-ing, that many folks who are otherwise kind and intelligent human beings – when given anonymity and an audience – instantly transform into assholes (though the real-life assholes tend to remain such on the internets).

    Furthermore, I’m really astounded by the fact that, unless viewers have completely missed one of the main points of SG:U – to explore the raw human reactions to such dire circumstances – they’re quite literally implying that interpersonal relationships and sexuality are apparently taboo and exempt from any sort of quotidian (albeit very abnormal) affairs.

    Yeah – because a group of flawed and unique human beings stranded billions of lights years from home are TOTALLY asexual beings. Not us, just them. For some reason.

    Finally, if nothing else, remember this: as is inherent to the internet, 99% of the material out there is total junk. That means that, out of the derogatory and degrading comments you get, 99% of them hold zero constructive value. Furthermore, there is a significantly larger number of people who believe in what you’re doing but simply haven’t said anything (until this entry, as evidenced by the numerous comments so far).

    My only complaint with the show (a very minor one) is the lack of technical jargon relative to the two previous shows…but then again, I’m an ubergeek like that. 🙂 Otherwise, I absolutely love the show and wholeheartedly encourage you and the rest of the SG:U crew to keep up the fantastic work!

  115. Re, my point about how the vast majority of viewers actually love the show, this comment from “anneteldy”:

    As opposed to the general viewership, most of your commenters here want to like SGU and were predisposed to do so. Yet a noticable majority of them are complaining about the same thing. Shouldn’t that carry weight?

    Perhaps most of the commenters are complaining, because the majority of the readers and the viewers love the show, and hence one doesn’t hear from them.

  116. As a long time and huge fan of Stargate SG1 and Atlantis, I’m disappointed at the hurtful comments that motivated this post. Personal attacks are wrong and goes against the Stargate-grain.

    I think the motivation behind some of the comments derive from a deep frustration at the direction of the show as you addressed. Personally, I love that aspects like romance, sex, and feelings have entered the Stargate realm. But the direction Universe has gone down, i.e., the darkness, the hate that seems to radiate from Dr Rush (which as a physicist – I find difficult to watch) is hard for the Stargate fanbase to get used to. We knew it would be different. And in my house we will try to hang on as long as possible, but we miss the old realm. We hope that some humor gets injected into it, that each episode isn’t about survival from a quick death, and that some exploration for fun starts to happen. We miss episodes like ‘wormhole extreme’…perhaps another series is in order:)

    BTW – I love the casting!

  117. It’s wasn’t all that long ago that fans would have loved a intimate scene between Jack and Sam. Maybe not lust filled like is Air. But if in any of those ‘we are so dead’ episodes of SG-1 if they went there it wouldn’t have been the end of the world. That being one portion of the fan base, while some others would have been screaming bloody murder.

  118. Long Time Reader, First Time Commenter. I want to start out by saying that I very much love this show. The actors are amazing, and the writing is spectacular (a ship powered by stars… seriously genius.) I’ve been a fan of Stargate since the first movie, own the SG-1 Complete series on DVD, as well as all of the movies. So I’m helping the cause, so to speak, as much as I can.

    I am, however, probably one of the ones that bruised your collective feelings, with this Twitter post: http://twitter.com/robertmclaws/status/5124073668. To my defense, this post was immediately before it, in regard to “Light”: http://twitter.com/robertmclaws/status/5115898469

    Now, I know you’re going for gritty, more real, etc, but I’m not a real big fan of the was-gonna-be-a-preacher-but-now-can’t-keep-it-in-his-pants turn you’d given Brian’s character. Many Catholics assign a little more value to sex than that, however it’s your show, so write your characters however you want. Hopefully we’ll get to see some more backstory on why Scott has taken such a 180 in his life.

    But I don’t think my comment was particularly offensive (nor was it intended to be, just pointing out the fact that in 5 shows, we’ve experienced tidbits of his sexcapades 3 different times.) It’s cool that you guys are taking more liberties with this series, but it seems like you guys have a lot of pent up frustration not being able to write about sex for 12+ years, and are now either reliving your teenage years, or your screenwriting has taken creepy-old-man turn.

    Yes some of the comments (you may even think mine) are over the line. However, we are the viewers, and you have a very loyal fan base, so it’s not like this wasn’t expected.
    You guys also need to get thicker skins, too. Because some of us fans can think a character is being whoreish without thinking the actor themselves is just that much of a whore too. It could be that we think the writing is to blame, not the acting. We are sorry if, as a writer, this offends you.

    Some people (like me) would like it if you guys found a happy medium between SG1 and BSG. And for the most part, you have. But the major sexual overtones so early in the series make it seem fake. Sexual tension has to build some (I mean come on, you are the guys that didn’t let Carter & O’Neill hook up!). Right now, the sex angle just seems like a distraction in order to get ratings.

    Sure, Season 1 is in the can, so our opinions don’t mean anything. But you would do well not to flaunt that in our collective faces, especially when people like me are the ones who enable you guys to keep doing what you’re doing, without not-so-disposable income in a crappy economy. Piss enough people like us off, and you guys will wish you hadn’t cancelled SGA so early.

    Everyone on the Stargate team has had the luxury of having mostly positive experiences with the fans, and that is because the show has been mostly positive, and hopeful. Now, you guys have taken a darker tone that seems less hopeful. So you should expect that fan opinion/method of conveying that opinion might take the same turn. It’s the price you pay for taking a risk.

    So, it appears that everyone involved needs to take a deep breath and re-attain the correct perspective. Fans need to remember that it’s just a show. And you guys need to remember that we keep you in business.

    Having said that, please keep up the great work. Aside from a few minor annoyances, this show is truly amazing. I look forward to every Friday.

    Thanks for your time.

    Robert McLaws
    Tallahassee, FL.

  119. @Gracey – I believe it’s because they’d have to pay separate licensing fees to release it on DVD. There’s a music quiz show here in Australia that I’d love to own on DVD (Spicks ‘n’ Specks), but it can’t even be replayed on the internet-version of the station that airs it because they can’t afford the extra licensing fees for that. And yeah, I’d have loved to buy China Beach, too.

    @Das – they did release Northern Exposure – I own the first couple of seasons.

    @Joe – It’s a shame posts like this need to be written. Personal attacks say more about the poster than they do about the victim. And as for the Twitter issue: there’s this condition that exists on the internet, wherein those affected can only feel better about themselves by writing really nasty things to celebrities. Honestly, the stuff that gets written to people like Stephen Fry, Alan Davies & Brent Spiner … you just *know* they’d never have the guts to say it in person (although there is that variety of git who gets off on insulting a celebrity in person, too). There are a lot of sad people out there. Brian Smith came across in his Q&A as a really decent guy too – it’s a real shame he’s experiencing this.

  120. I never could understand something, if a show is so bad for the viewer, why do they watch it? (unless you’re really that stupid, that maybe you should not own a tv in the first place, how u managed to find the power switch and learned how to use the remote control..not sure, I am guessing the instruction book included color photos, but now, it is time for you to watch something intelligent, SGU, friday nights..It might seem difficult, and not step by step instructions are included this time, but, make the human race proud once again, that you can safely operate a TV.)

    There is always criticism, but once it hits the point where it is in bad tastes, it’s not criticism anymore.. I don’t know what one calls it, maybe something being written by a psychotic mind, yet that is not fair to those who suffer from psychosis… Maybe you are an unemployed worthless whiner that would complain if they were not being strung up with a new rope..

    I like SGU, I wont compare it to SG1 and SGA. SGU is a different animal, it’s different, it’s refreshing, and I do not know nor understand the negative crap people are giving it. I could say, for all you bitchers, if you can’t do better, shut up. Please don’t misinterpret that, I just mean, if the ones who are complaining those most, & don’t have all your wonderful insightful and creative stuff you have in your delusional minds written up and on Tv, in book, on screen elsewhere, what fraken right do you have to make the comments you are making? Humans evolve into being something better, they strive for progress.

    Except all of a sudden, something went stale.. Maybe it was the last administration in office.. maybe it’s facebook or microsoft.. but something came to a a standstill and while the better part of the human race actually does
    like SGU and likes it because it is different, or what not, and the rest of you slipped back into the primordial goo.

    If something is that bad for you, you strike out at anything and anyone showing your ignorance, it’s sick and it is tiresome, the internet is a great tool for communications, some just need prior training it seems to utilize it, I am guessing those kinds of people also have a huge granny porn collection too…

    If the sex scenes, what they are, are leaving you jealous and horny, take it to the bathroom and grab a box of Kleenex, sex is part of humanity, it is part of being human, and if by chance you have reduced it down to just sex, you probably missed something.

    (personally I thought it was kinda funny that Scott radio kept going off when he was getting to the good point…that’s gotta be frustrating, especially with no cold showers available.. 😉 )

    SGU is a great show.. It’s one of a kind, that even I can not compare it to other shows, besides that always tends to taint and ruin a show, the dreaded comparison.. Watch the show with an open mind.. If it bothers you that much, shut the TV off, and go back to being the wanker you prefer to be..

    I like How SGU is unfolding and I like the way it is written..
    It has a great set of writers, creators and an incredible ensemble of actors and actresses.. Yeah, I have my favorites, something I actually have not had in previous shows in the franchise…

    Ok, so I like O’neill and Carter, But not like I like the characters or even might I say, bonded to the ones in SGU… I choose who I liked in the first show, and I know that is probably not fair, being that the characters are still unfolding. Give the show a chance, you don’t like it, piss off you feckless thugs. Don’t expect this show to be anything you have seen so far, It is different, that is a good thing…

    Yeah, my favorites are scott and young, sorry elli.. oh and I like TJ too (whoa!).
    I don’t want to know too much, I want it to unfold in front of me. Reading too much about the show, isn’t for me, I like the surprises, even if they are small. So far this isn’t
    about the technology as much as it is about the people…
    we however want to see the more advanced technology, probably because we’re also a
    bit spoiled.. SGU has the right mix.

    I liked that Brian (smith) actually did a Twitter account, I think that is cool when an actor/actress does that for their fans, he didn’t have to, but he did.. for someone to do that like that is awesome.
    People are chosen for parts because the production believes this the best choice to fill a character, and that the person can bring something to a project… In turn the actor learns something and is more than a person playing a part for a pay check.

    The internet also brought out the feckless thugs in the world, the people who hide behind the keyboard typing
    away, things they would not say to a person or a group of people in person.. because u are weak and pathetic.

    Brian is a human being, he is not anymore perfect or imperfect (yeah, I know, but, i am speaking about the person.. not the body.. ) than any other human being and if you knew him in person, the attacks on him and (sgu) family would not be happening.. If someone attacked you and family you would defend yourself. If you don’t have the balls to tell someone face to face, in person. why be such a chicken shit and do it on a posting board?

    There is intelligent good and bad criticism.. Emotions can not be shown well in text messages, misunderstandings do occur, but, but there are limits to everything.

    If one can not get into this show, then don’t watch it, if you want SG1 and SGA, then watch reruns, if SGU doesn’t click, maybe you are not trying or brain death has already
    affected you…. (I’m guessing this post won’t get printed…probably not a bad thing either, I probably just vented too much and did exactly what I should not have
    done….bollocks!.. How many humans did I just insult?)

  121. I cant believe some people. They will complain and complain about a show but keep watching it! what purpose does that serve? do they enjoy watching tv they consider bad?

    I urge people to boycott negative threads and forums and fully support the franchise which has given us YEARS of entertainment and possibly (hopefully) YEARS MORE!

  122. People are jerks, generally. Especially if they dislike something. They always write without thinking, which is why I usually critique the grammar of negative comments. It makes me feel better (read: smarter). For example: a few of the negative comments today use their instead of they’re, they invent words, etc.

    Bravo on the rant. It needed to be said.

  123. I have to say I have already given up on this show. Sorry. I wanted to like it, I tried to like it. I just don’t.

    On the first show I had a problem with Scott while in the broom closet, ignoring an order from his commanding officer. As the wife of a military man I found this to be a big problem. He did it again in this last episode, (tv was left on syfy after and before Sanctuary) and I happened to look up and there he was ignoring an order.

    By the way, my 20 year old son who is I believe in your key demographic, watched the first show and decided it wasn’t worth the time away from his X-box. He said he thinks it’s stupid…don’t shoot the messenger.

  124. Well said and better put than I managed yesterday in my comments. I gave up on most online fandoms years ago because of all the venom – I hate being in any way associated with those nutjobs. I only started reading fanfiction and your blog again in the last few weeks because SGU was starting. That’s how much the poisonous atmosphere created by some people on teh internets put me off. It’s not easy to avoid without cutting yourself off completely.

    While I appreciate you don’t wish to be too authoritarian and you wish to hear all viewpoints, if things don’t calm down here soon I’ll stop visiting. I don’t say that as a threat; I don’t expect you to either notice or care if I’m not here; but merely to illustrate how uncomfortable I’ve found things, especially in the last week or so since Light. Since I enjoy *your* writing on your blog, I’m hoping that my enjoyment will outweigh those negative vibes in the future.

    There seems to be a core of people determined to hate SGU *in principle* and frankly I wish they’d just get over themselves. As you point out, on a fairly regular basis as I recall, the nutters make up only a small minority of fans, but the fact remains that they’re so loud we all get tarred with the same brush. It’s unavoidable and embarrassing.

    On different note, yesterday I forgot to get down off my soapbox long enough to say I thought Peter DeLuise was looking uttery fabbie in his pic on your last blog and I hope we’ll be seeing more of him. Met him at a con a few years back and he was just lovely 🙂 As was Martin Wood – hint hint nudge nudge 😉

  125. Ignore the haters. The internet is full of them. Also… a character was called a whole…and? People are mad because a character on a TV show was called a whore? Maybe I could see if the actress was being called a whole, but c’mon. Who cares?

    Do your thing…plenty of people like the show. If haters get on and comment…like they always do…just ignore them. DON’T FEED THE TROLLS.

  126. on October 31, 2009 at 11:01 pm | Reply PoorOldEdgarDerby

    What the hell? I just the other day promised I would drop Brian Smith a line about how he and everybpody else is doing a bang-up job and how he shouldn’t sweat the small stuff. And now he’s non-receptive to any comments?

    NO. This does not happen. Twitter is not a free-for-all against celbrities or the project the are employed. Voicing your opinons in a proper environment (i.e. this blog or another forum) is welcomed, but Twitter is somethng we must preserve for the most pertinent comments. Whether they be of praise or of condemntation. If you are to condemn, odds are there are many who would agree and post elsewhere forthwidth. The point is, if you are irked by a (God forgive me) nickel-and-dime issue, see how other people address it, and don’t blame some kid who’s working his tail off to bring us quality entertainment just to have it thrown back in his face because he represents a negative male role model in your child’s life.

    Well, you shouldn’t rely on TV to provide proper role models. And if you aren’t feeling quite up to spot, you sould get laid more. At any rate, if you are blaming a TV show for portraying “bad morals,” then you really have only yourself to blame regardless.

    Joe, this is your blog and I’m not looking to preach the most obvious facts at hand. Let me just say that while everyone is entitled to their opionion, precious few have one worthwhile.

  127. Joe, no one is perfect. NO ONE.

    Yes, I agree, personal attacks on the actors themselves is not on because they are just using a script and talent to play a role.

    Personal attacks on the writers is also not on because they have written the best script they can.

    However, If the episode (in my opinion) turned out bad I will tell you – politely yes, but I WILL tell you.

    It is known as freedom of speech. A wonderful concept.

    I have spent the last 15 years speaking my mind without someone knocking on my door at 4am coming to arrest me and I find it quite exhilarating.

  128. Sorry if this comment is a little bit too much, but i’m tired of the bull! I don’t normally respond to anything on-line, but i’m sick of all the negative comments about this series. 1) Joe hits it right on the nail. Say something constructive, or go wine somewhere else. “SGU=Maximum Suckage!” Oh, thanks for that fab insight… like for the one billionth time! You are truly a f’ing sh*t-on genius. I know i’m your sterotypical nerd. I also know that this is just a TV show. You don’t like it, then move on to something else, because the only thing your pearls of wisdom are doing is making you look more like a childish moron. 2) The show is great in my opinion. Keep up the excellent work people!

    P.S.-This franchise is nowhere near saturation point, in comparision to say “Trek” or “Wars”.

  129. Big hugs to everyone on the staff….oh and btw I said I watched Air 3 yesterday…actually it was Light…LOL

    As to SGU it is just not my cup of tea but that does not mean it is not written well or produced brilliantly….with the crew you guys have you could never go wrong there…

    Please keep this blog as I love reading your views on things and the little titbits you give us are brilliant and I personally appreciate all the hard work you put into it.

    Btw just a quick question…can’t remember if you answered this or not…but have you read David Eddings or Anne McCaffrey?..if you have what did you think?

    Kriss 🙂

  130. I’d also like to add that never have I seen a Stargate show generate so much discussion and debate. Should people watch their words more closely? Of course. And that’s why I thank you for posting this, because I honestly was not. I got to the point where I began ranting and didn’t even think about what I was saying. Many others could probably say the same thing.

    However, Joe, I hope that you and the rest of the people over there making the show for us also see this as a good thing–the show is making people think. It’s making people question what they believe and its making people express their thoughts. Much moreso than its predecessors. That shows that fans are passionate about the show–some may simply not like it, but I think the majority of people who say they don’t like it are actually just taken aback by how different it is and aren’t quite sure what to think of it.

    I had never really commented here before a few weeks ago because I simply wasn’t interested in Stargate anymore. The end of SG-1 and end of Atlantis lost me and I wasn’t really into it anymore. I haven’t watched either of the SG-1 movies and I haven’t even watched the second half of the final season of Atlantis. SGU restored my interest in the franchise to the point where I actually enjoy it and feel like its worth it to take the time to post my thoughts here.

    To summarize… I’m just trying to point out that while it got out of hand, I think that’s cause people really want to like the show and are really passionate about it and have strong feelings about how these characters should be dealing with the situation. I think having the discussion and debate is better than having little or no discussion, and I think your post today was a good reminder for people in the future. Thank you 🙂

  131. I’m sorry that so many have been hurt by so few. That should never happen. We all enjoy personal freedoms but freedom comes with a price. No one thinks it’s a good thing to shout “fire” in a crowd, but it seems that a personal attack is acceptable. It’s not just here in your blog, unfortunately. Popular programs on TV are BASED on rude, insensitive behaviour…and they are huge hits. It speaks very poorly of us as a people, and will in time cause much more hurt than to the young people on your show. My husband and I spent a lot of time training our kids to be responsible, kind adults (with good success, thank god). I wish more parents worked a little harder on theirs.

    We do all have freedoms. We can like the new show or not. Watch it or not. But no one has the right to treat another with such disrespect. Have a beef? Write the production company. Leave the actors to do their jobs. Grow up.

  132. Well the fact that people are talking about the show is great. It means they are watching and care about what happens to the characters on the show, which is what you were aiming for.

    Let’s just hope that those who have issues can learn to state their OPINION in a grown up and reasonable manner instead of carrying on like idiots.

    If I recall correctly, you (and others in many interviews) stressed that this was NOT SG-1 nor Atlantis and would be more adult in its story telling. What did people think that it meant? Oh and by the way – there was sex on SG-1 people seem to forget that. Even the saintly Sam got some.


  133. on October 31, 2009 at 11:18 pm | Reply Annie from Fremantle

    Hey everyone

    Remember a show called ‘Hill St Blues’?

    It was one of the first shows that seemed real, like a documentary and what made it so successful was that the characters in the show had flaws.. they all weren’t 100% heroes or villains.. they all were shades of in between and we were privileged to see their problems play out on the screen.

    We didn’t like the antics of some of the characters and some we even disliked. The CHARACTERS not the actors. If their actions were negative and it got us viewers on the character’s bad side then the actor did a great job. The writer then , must have done a great job to supply the actor with good material to work with.. and so forth, even back to the editor and lighting technician.

    The characters must be the ‘babies’ of the writers.. they invented them, created their character pluses and minuses and even put a bit of themself into the character. To insult the character is to insult the writer. Chloe a ‘whore’ .. say what??

    The internet is a medium where people instill a false bravado within themselves, causing them to type words that they wouldn’t say to the intended recipient face to face.

    Remember that the people we type to are human, just as we are.. they have feelings.. we have feelings. Just because we see them as pixels on a screen doesn’t mean they are impervious to what we say.

    Hugs to Carl and all of you xx

  134. Hi Joe,

    You are my favourite.

    Although I am saddened that the cast, their families and the crew have been hurt by the recent comments, I would like to thank you for your rant for an entirely different reason. Thankyou, on behalf of every girl who has ever been called a slut or a whore by self-righteous, judgemental, mean-spirited and cruel people. People who feel that their idea of morality and their personal comfort zone related to sexual matters entitles them not only to disagree with a person/characters actions, but also to label that person/character as something despicable and less than.

    In many of the recent comments these same people have accused tbtb of not knowing how to write women properly. But calling them a slut is fine? That’s how to respect female characters and celebrate their right to make autonomous choices, especially about their sexuality? Using words like slut and whore does not express your displeasure with how these characters are written. These words are used to judge women whether they are characters or real people. These words are used to make women feel ashamed and unentitled to make decision you may not like about their own bodies. Again, if you object to the storyline that is completely separate to the use of these words that express only that a woman should be ashamed of their sexual behaviour. Ashamed! Do you get this?

    Who the hell do you think you are to object to a 30 second sex scene as an afront to your unquestionably superior morality, but then feel it’s perfectly ok to throw those words around in a public forum. You don’t want your kid to see a sex scene on Stargate, but what about the kids who read Joes blog? My niece read these comments and thankfully asked me about them rather than internalising just one more piece of crap she is subject to everyday as a 14-year-old girl. Chloe has a fan. If one day my brilliant niece gets stuck in a space ship and is sure she is going to die, I hope like hell she gets to feel close to someone, make some kind of connection before the end. If she chooses to.

    Joe, I have read you blog since almost the beginning, but have been a lurker for most of that time. I realise I have taken your rant and Carls’ objections in a direction you may not have intended. Perhaps your main motivation was in defence of your cast (which is perfectly understandable) and not this broader objection. If I have over-stepped I apologise. Perhaps I should have waited a couple of days like you did, but this has been bugging me and if I wait till I am less pissed I will just stay lurking.

    I came for the Stargate, but mostly stayed for the picture of maximus at the top of your blog (it’s the eyes…no it’s the ears…aghhh).
    Hope he is recovering from his surgery ok.

    Thankyou Joe (and Carl and all the ptb)

  135. on October 31, 2009 at 11:27 pm | Reply Trish (aka whovian)

    Hey Joe,

    I know once again I’ve been MIA. Just some stuff going on in my life making it hard to get on here… and I heard thru the grapevine that people were letting their stupidity show. 🙄 I REALLY hate when people do that. Usually, here, it’s on the roads. And I call those people Floridiots with good reason. Sounds like the same people that act like they own the road are posting here.

    I have something to say:

    My grandmother often said, “Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth.” Anyone who’s ever been bitten by a horse knows exactly how stupid that is. I think some people have been guilty of that on here. Watch out… the horse has big teeth.

    In case you don’t realize it, this blog, what Joe gives us, is NOT what you deserve. He does not HAVE to do this. It’s a pain in the neck to do, I’m sure. I can’t even get here everyday. Yet Joe has faithfully blogged EVERY day for us. He is CONSTANTLY thinking of ways to treat us to things… to reach out to us. To have an ACTUAL relationship with us fans. Again, not what he HAS to do. He CHOOSES to do it! Maybe you thought, because he does this, that you’re special and can act like a spoiled child. Because really, when people start making personal attacks they are actually having an adult-style tantrum. Stop having tantrums. Control yourselves! That actually means having to tell yourself *no*. Shocking, I understand. However, it’s the right thing to do.

    Seriously, people! To complain so violently about things on here… Can I have YOUR problems please? I mean, really!! IF ONLY the biggest problem in my life right now were how a television show is coming along. MY LORD! I think I’d be SO HAPPY!

    I haven’t had the time to watch SGU in the past three weeks… I’m behind. I have this thing called LIFE. It’s PROBLEMS have gotten in the way. Try it some time.

    Again, I ask, can I please have YOUR problems? If you have the time to complain about the direction of a show your life has GOT to be awesome compaired to mine.

    I mean… A.W.E.S.O.M.E!

    Get over yourselves. Leave Joe and the good people of Stargate alone. Joe says you are making idiot comments. I agree. Stupid is as stupid does. Try to keep that in mind when you make stupid comments. M’kay?

    To the cast and crew I say:

    I’ve been a fan of Stargate for years now. The people involved in this franchise are unique in that they are all real, honest and decent people. They reach out to the fans like no show or television franchise I’ve ever heard of in my life.

    I just want to say to everyone on the show and their families… I’m sorry if you’ve been hurt by the comments of rude people. I hate it when that happens. It’s certainly not how everyone feels. Isn’t it always the way that one rotten thing in the fridge makes the whole fridge smell? It doesn’t mean the entire fridge is rotten though it can seem that way. You need to find the offending rotten item, throw it in the trash and kick it to the curb. Problem solved.

    Or, in the case of Joe… the delete button works. He doesn’t have the easy job here, for sure.

    Sorry it’s gotten ugly. I guess some people were never taught proper manners and feel incredibly entitled to lash out in immature ways.

    Joe: Please know that there are many of us out here who actually appreciate all the things you have done for us fans. My mom constantly says how great you are. She’s amazed at all you do for us fans and in such creative ways. So thank you. Thank you for all you have done, all you do, and all that you will do for us. I greatly appreciate it.


  136. magsol wrote:

    Perhaps most of the commenters are complaining, because the majority of the readers and the viewers love the show, and hence one doesn’t hear from them.

    Absolutely valid point. So how do the producers of any show determine what the general viewership thinks/feels? Ratings can’t tell you how to improve the ratings.

    Anne Teldy

  137. Good post, Joe and I’m gonna try and make my comment as polite as possible.

    On why people watch the show even if apparentely they hate it

    If you’ve watched the entirety of SG1, SG Atlantis AND the SG movies, you would probably want to give a show a fair chance to win you over. Even if I hated every single episode of SGU I would still probably watch the entire first season, just to get an idea of how the show is evolving. I think that any TV show needs at least 2 seasons to mature and come into it’s own. After being part of the Stargate franchise for so long, even fans with negative comments at least EARNED the right to watch the new show for as long as they want, not be booted off by other fans who like it with the rather obnoxious comment: “Well if you don’t like it, why do you watch it”

    They have earned the right to watch it and give their opinion on anything Stargate related. If they aren’t polite enough to express their opinions in a relevant way, that’s another problem entirely.

    On the actors interaction with the fans

    Honestly, I follow every single SGU actor who’s on twitter and while this is not a reflection on who they are as people (I’m sure they are all lovely) their Twitter presence seems rather ‘fake’ to me. Except for maybe David Blue, they all seem to be on Twitter not cause they REALLY like Twitter, but rather cause they’re been made to by the PR/Advertising team. Everybody is on Twitter, you should be there too. That is just MY impression.

    On the negativity of some fans

    This may be just me being cynnical, but were the production team and cast REALLY that surprised by some of the negativity? This is what happens when you radically change a concept that was pretty much the core concept of the franchise for 10 plus years. Of course not everybody is going to like it. But you still have the best jobs in the world, you still make a lot more money than most of us poor comentators will ever make in our lifetimes so guess who still has the last laugh?

    This may be a douchy thing to say, but seriously. Suck it up and deal with it. We’ve had our little rant, now let’s get back to making SGU a kick ass show.

  138. Thanks for your honesty!!! I’ll tell you again you are really brave to face your fans and to read the comments. Now one thing annoys me and it is not in realtion to the way the show is going. It is in relation to the fans that think that they have a voice in the creative process. Writing is your job and your doing a hell of a good job. You have my undevided attention and if at one point I don’t like what your showing me I’ll let you know by not watching the show anymore not by bitching about it on your personnal I take time out odf my day to write blog…..

    So thanks and keep on trucking!!!

  139. I completely agree Joe, as I said on my blog. I’m loving SGU and all the folks involved-behind and in front of cameras-are, obviously, so talented.
    And the folks I’ve actually met, spoke or Tweeted with are friendly, interesting and seemingly totally dedicated and supportive of the series.
    I asked JCLenic this, but thought I might ask you as well: Any chance you guys will do a soundtrack of the awesome SGU score? I love it.
    Oh, and thanks for the behind-the-scenes vid. Is the “Gate” image there a projection? It looks “real.” I assumed all that was added later and actors would be in front of green screen.
    Big props Joe.
    Thanks, Curt

  140. Well said Sir!

    I’ve only left 2 or 3 comments on your blog since I started reading it, but I’m surprised people would call the Chloe character a ‘whore’. Any of those people ever heard of a show like, say “Sex and the city” ? They’d be in for the shock of their lives….

    And if anyone thinks Robert Carlyle’s character is mean on SGU, they should definitely check out the film “Trainspotting”. Rush is tame in comparison to what he does in that film.

    So far, I’ve thoroughly enjoyed the show. The structure is very similar to ABC’s “Lost”; I was particularly thrilled to see the use of flashbacks and the fact that the crew was unwillingly thrown into their situation (almost literally). Now, I could use a little more of O’Neill and his snark, and an awesome cgi alien spaceship fight (or more!) but I guess that’s what the SG1 & SGA DVDs are for.

    If, on the other hand, it’s an innate response to the very notion of intimacy no matter how modest the scene, then I’d suggest a deep-rooted personal issue that would be best dealt with somewhere other than this blog.

    Can I quote you on the above? Because I know a few fangirls who might shut up after I tell them that.

    Also, the Lieutenant Rack / Mcboobs comment is very funny, albeit disrespectful to Mrs. Julia Benson. Thing is tho, the whole female cast is incredibly hot. TJ reminds me of the young defiant Samantha Carter in earlier seasons of SG1.

    Ok, I’ll just shut up now. Thanks again for keeping Stargate alive.

  141. Hey Joe,

    Are sorry that the comments lately have become so personal and nasty that you had to ‘rant’, but “well said”.
    I must admit to skimming the comments over the last couple of weeks, as others have too, due to the negativity by some people. I understand that people are passionate about Stargate which is a good thing, but at the end of the day, its only a TV show, and if you don’t like it, there’s always the ‘off’ switch.

    Carl – please don’t go!!! 🙂

  142. on November 1, 2009 at 12:00 am | Reply Siri Atiragram Lleof

    So I’m not allowed to criticize the show? Many comments on this page say “Don’t like it, don’t watch it.” The fact is I do like the show. ‘Water’ is my favorite episode so far.

    So I do like the show. Just not two of the characters (Scott and Chloe).

    If you look at Gateworld, IMDb, etc. you’ll see I’m not the only one with this opinion. In fact, the majority agree with me.

  143. My best wishes to Brian’s mum Joe…I’m a mum myself with a 21 year old son and it’s not nice to read stuff like this about your child, whatever their age and profession…

    Sadly having been involved in this fandom online for 5-6 years and having read almost everything there has been written about Stargate, I’m not in the least bit surprised…..once again saddened but not surprised….

    Many fans’ sense of “entitlement” now outstrips their need for respect….very very disappointing….

    Deeds xx

  144. Can’t take it eh??

  145. Ok normally I don’t post twice in one blog entry, but I’ve gone and read other areas where a similar topic is being discussed. I’ve been ranting in my head for the past so many minutes… in fact I’m still ranting in my head. AAAAAAH… so many counter arguments… must resist urge to. . .ARGH…. I’m going to watch a DVD it’ll clear my mind, I hope.

  146. I don’t comment much but I have to now.

    I TOTALLY agree with you Mr. Mallozzi. I can’t believe the nerve of some people sometimes. But my guess, they’re more idiotic when posting over the Internet because of the “veil” of not being physically there – they think it’s ok to do anything they want.

    I love the show. It is different – in a good way definitely. You can’t please everyone right?

    LOVE THE SHOW! Keep up the great great work and here’s to more great story telling in the seasons to come.


  147. I’m so glad someone finally said it, now hopefully the small section of the fanbase that is responsible for 99% of the crap that is spouted in every direction will stop being idiots.

  148. on November 1, 2009 at 12:40 am | Reply Shawna Buchanan

    “Lieutenant McBoobs” Haha. There should totally be a character called that. That would be awesome.

    But seriously, I certainly hope nothing I’ve written has offended people. I do try to be nice, even when criticizing something I didn’t like, and I would certainly never launch personal attacks because of creative decisions, least of all against the actors. People who do are best left ignored, IMO.

    I hope you don’t mind us continuing to tell you what we think of the show, as long as we’re nice about it. I’m pretty sure the people who come here and want to talk about it do so because they care about it, even if sometimes the language they use is overly harsh. It’s not that people who criticize the show don’t like it yet keep watching it because they’re stupid or looking to be angry. Sure, we could just go away and watch something else–that’s the beauty of TV and free choice–but I think what we’re hoping is that by giving you feedback on what we, the viewers, are thinking, it will help in some way. We like it, but we think it could be better. That may sound egotistical, but it’s human nature for people to have opinions about things, and I think most of us know perfectly well that you are perfectly free to discount those opinions. Of course it’s still your show to do with as you like. But we still like to state how we felt about things and what we think can be improved, on the off chance that one of our comments sparks something in the creative process and turns out helpful.

    Of course there are always douchebags who step over the line, and that sucks. Personally, I wouldn’t blame you at all if you did decide to be more selective in screening comments. It’s your blog, after all. You don’t have to let people yell at you or your readers if you don’t want to. And if anyone complained about you doing so, they’re probably the ones being jerks and don’t have anything intelligent to add anyway.

  149. You´re so right Joe and by the way everyone should think about ONE thing…:IT´S A SHOW and not reality it is there to entertain us.I loved SG1 and SGA and i love SGU also…the Stargate Franchise has grown up a little bit it´s Darker ,more rough and is giving us more information about the Characters Emotions.

    Great Show Great Team (Great SFX)
    Go on and on ,I will be watching

  150. I’ve been one of those who, in the end, made a couple of “idiotic” comments on Twitter. Problem for me was I tried to discuss something with someone who posted Brian was leaving Twitter – questioning the motives behind it, and questioning a comment by what (to me later on) turned out to be his immediate family *sigh*

    On top of that this all happened on Twitter – try being coherent on a 140 character basis combined with English not being your first language 🙂

    In the end I lined myself up perfectly with those who made Brian leave in the first place – idiotic a**holes. I didn’t get the reactions I got by Brian and his family at first, because I thought I was “just asking” – which I basically wasn’t to them, because when you are already riled up, you most definitely don’t take what I wrote as a question but rather a direct statement – or better, an accusation. Which I then got – and trust me it took the better part of 24 hours to not run around with a totally red face. I felt like an ass and it took me some extensive groveling to make that come across.

    So thanks to all those narrow-minded children out there who helped me accomplish being an ass. I never thought that Sci-Fi (or better: Stargate) Fans could behave like fans of Fox News, Twilight – or ざおい.

    You rob the better part of the world of the chance to have a real discussion with the makers of the show and the cast. You create such a hostile environment that you make it impossible for the rest of the fans to interact with them.

    Mind you, I’m a fan of the show. I don’t like certain aspects of it, heck I would even LOVE to discuss it, but after making a complete fool of myself by “just asking” (in retrospect not a good idea when you read stuff like “Obama a communist?” on Fox News) I’m most likely better off to STFU from now ’til eternity, for I risk hurting people who work on the show.

    Because, you know, I GET THAT. I understand perfectly how harsh it is when you get such negative comments about the work you love so much and you think is worth, if not praise, then at least recognition.

    I mean I get why people would express that they won’t watch the show anymore because it’s not their taste. I get why you just want to express that because you loved SG-1, you loved Atlantis, and this is simply what you expected from the show. I for one expected another Star Trek: Voyager and was pleasantly surprised. I don’t even consider this show to be a BSG ripoff which people now try to convince me of it is. I like this show very much (and criticized the hell out of BSG’s final season because it didn’t give me what I wanted).

    Anyway, first and last comment about this from me. Again, I’m sorry Brian for what I now now was a very negative comment towards you and your folks. Again, it wasn’t my intention, but I now perfectly get why it came across that way. I still feel like a total moron and while it’s hard not to blame this on others, I could’ve known better.

  151. Mr.Mallozzi,

    BRAVO for sticking for your cast and crew.

    I LOVE SGU. I have been a fan of the franchise since the original movie in 1994. I feel like I’ve grown up with the show and SGU, like the next step in my life, is the equivalent development in the franchise.

    Keep up the outstanding work.

  152. Joesph,
    I am not sure you understand the reason why so many people are upset over the Cloe-Scott scene in Light. The anger being expressed is not about the depiction of sex, romance or flawed characters in a Stargate series.

    People are angry with the Cloe-Scott relationship because prior to the sex-scene, these two characters did not have a “burgeoning relationship.” There was not enough build up for it. More effort was spent in establishing a Scott-James relationship and a potential Cloe-Eli relationship, or even a Cloe-Eli-Scott love triangle.

    The problem is when Cloe says that she never felt closer to anyone then she did to Scott. The viewers never actually saw this on screen. What we did see was Cloe getting closer with Eli. In Darkness, when Cloe was naked, alone and in the dark, at her most vulnerable, she calls out for Eli, not Scott. So when Cloe and Scott had sex in “Light” and then spends her final hours with her head resting on Eli’s shoulder, it makes her look extremely superficial and shallow.

    By showing Scott having sex with James, and then having sex with Cloe a few days later, it does not look like Cloe and Scott have bonded over the death of Cloe’s father. Instead it looks like Scott has taken advantage of Cloe’s emotional vulnerability.

    I know it was not your intent to depict the Cloe-Scott relationship this way, but this is how many viewers have interpreted the relationship and why people are very upset and angry. Within this context, these two are not very likable or sympathetic characters and that is why people are saying very nasty things about them.

  153. Lay the hammer down! *shmack!*

    Sad that the actors and their families had to read those comments. Pass along hugs from those of us who can recognize opinion from truth and fact from fiction?

  154. Joe,
    Im in the Customer Service busness you can’t please eveyone…As for those who don’t want to read your blog because they don’t like some of the Viewer Comment;s “GROW THE FUCK UP!!!” We who write these comment’s are also the one’s who sent the SGU Rating’s through the roof!!!

  155. Well, first off, I have to admit that I didn’t use the nicest term for Scott in a previous comment (you mentioned only the Chloe-whore-thing, which is a title I don’t see any reason for either, but I guess that not-calling characters-names can be expanded to any character) .
    Still, I really meant no harm and just wanted to tell my opinion on that character – it wasn’t even intended as criticism, just feedback on what I thought about him and I never wanted to offend the actor (or any of the actor’s family), I think he’s doing good work so far (can’t get more into detail because the only “rating system” I have for actors is a) I watch it and “believe them” or b) I watch it and it feels fake, Brian J. Smith would be under a) ) ).
    I just wanted to clear that off even though I don’t think my comment was offensive (but then again, that’s up to the people who read the comment) but in general (and for further comments to come) I don’t intend to be insulting to anyone and I’m trying to express my opinion in a reasonable way.
    Sometimes, I might only find questionable words to describe what I felt (and given the foreign-language-factor it’s sometimes hard to judge how questionable those words really are – it could be that a word is used in this area often and therefore it’s use has gotten normal/ more or less accepted even though it’s not the nicest, whereas the translation is more negative or even insulting than I ever intended to be) but if I really should cross a line please feel absolutely free to delete my comment (you would surely do that anyway, but be sure to have m approval because I’m not commenting here to flame)
    I can’t promise not to use any questionable word in the future because sometimes, they’re needed (if I don’t like something or something might come across very negative – which could even be intended when it’s “a baddie” – I just need some words to describe that) but I’m hoping that those words won’t ever cross a line.
    —-Spoilers —-

    Trust me when I say that there’s no better way to guarantee a character’s long and fruitful stay on a show than to insist we get rid of them.

    (wonder if that quote works… if not, it was intended as a quote 😉 )
    That doesn’t work the other way round, right? Right? … *fears-for-Rush* 😉
    I really want him to survive as long as the show is going to run, I love that character!
    I liked his disagreements with Eli and Young in Water. Those are questionable situations (Being honest compared to ensuring the ice keeps coming for the greater good, but what if they had not been able to take care of the bugs and Young would have returned to a ship of dead people? Or saving Scott and leaving quite a lot of ice behind – what if they’re really running low on it and people die because there’s not enough water?)
    Without Rush, there would be missing something, I like the addition of his “different perspective”. But he is also “growing” into his role on the ship, after his argument with Eli he said “we”, he seems to have accepted now that he can’t do everything on his own.
    James, Scott and Young were also great in the episode, I could have done without the Scott-Chloe interaction but it’s part of the show, so well… I guess I made clear that I didn’t need that addition but it’s not going to kill me.
    Oh and TJ was great! Looking forward to seeing more of her! And one can speculate on her… but I’m not going to post speculations now but in case they’re true, I can at least say afterwards “ha! I knew it!” xD (I have to make up for the fact that I belong to the very, very, very small minority that did not see Destiny going for solar power in light… >.<” but I saw Scott and Chloe coming… maybe I’m focusing on the wrong things 😉 )

    Hope, your mum’s doing better as well as Maximus.

  156. On the off chance this comment is read by people associated with the show, I’ll add one comment here: I have no problems with any of the actors or even the scenes that apparently drew vicious comments from others. I’m also fine with SGU not being SG1/SGA too– different style here, I get it.

    I just can’t figure out why the show seems so disjointed and so boring. This isn’t a complaint about actors or even characters; it’s still early and characters always develop a lot more past the first few episodes. But many shows lead in with exciting plots years in the making and run out of ideas over time, while SGU has already spent most of an episode walking across a desert, and another trying to transport ice. This has nothing to do with style or darker tones or sex scenes— this is just tedious, like too much drama and build up with little viewer reward. These seem like filler episodes when you’ve run out of production budgets, but you’re only ~4-6 episodes into the first season, so that’s troubling if true.

    In fact, I think you’re getting pulled into intra-staff melodrama too quickly BECAUSE there aren’t interesting external actors/characters to deal with. SG1 spent much of the first season visiting new planets and meeting new races with new stories; the Gate was just a medium to get there. For SGU, the alien-swarm thing almost had potential, but you just chased them around the ship, then locked them in a barrel and pushed them off the ship, without learning anything interesting about them. If the new “style” of SGU is not learning or exploration, but just “chase it, kill it, throw it out the airlock,” then this is going to be a really bizarre show.

    As for why people finding it tedious (like me) are still watching, in my case it’s because my loyalty to SG1/SGA and knowing it sometimes takes some time for shows to develop. If you can tell me now that most of the episodes will focus primarily either collecting sand or collecting ice, then I’ll stop watching now.

    PS: Use of the communication stones is written really badly. Are there no scheduled check-in times? They just have 24/7 shifts at SGC for whenever they randomly check in? And when the people on the ship are completely stuck and in over their heads, why haven’t Col. Carter and Dr. McKay and all the experts of the SGC ‘comm-stoned’ onto the ship? “Darker tone” is great… but doesn’t make up for poor writing.

  157. Thanks to David Blue for sharing this site with us on Twitter. Thank you to Joe for saying what he did. I also agree with what BK said in the posting.

    I am a total SGU fan as my name implies. I seriously enjoy the characters, all of them, and wait impatiently each week for the next episode to air. I am a 45 year old mother of a 26 year old military man. I can relate to what Scott is going through and doing because of my son. I have a daughter Choloe’s age so the same goes.

    I felt blessed to be able to Twitter with Brian, Elyse, David and others who took time out of there busy lives to show their fans that they care. For people to VICIOUSLY attack the characters and then VICIOUSLY attack the actors was inexcusable in my book. For those that did not have the good fortune to Twitter with Brian J. Smith you missed something heartbreaking when he became so upset over the attacks on him. He seems to be a sensitive young man with a “heart as big as a house” who truly cares about his character and his TRUE fans. The same goes for Elyse, she is a fine young lady who also was gracious enough to Twitter with fans…unfortunately the viciousness oozed to her as well. David was quick to defend his costars and friends and was gracious enough to hopefully let Brian and Elyse know that there are truly those that DO CARE about them. David Blue is wonderful to keep letting everyone know what is up with him and those he cares about.

    I have written to the moderators and the site admins of other sites to hopefully make sure that they realize how hurtful the posts are to the actors, writer, producers etc. I have shed many a tear (figuratively)for the mother and family of Brian Smith and hope that they can help to make sure he comes back next season to continue to giving great performances. You don’t know how very much I wish that we, the ones that really care, could let Brian, Elyse, Carl, David, etc know in such a way that it is very loud and clear that we want them to continue their work and try (though it is hard to do) to ignore the negative people who have nothing better to do with their day than to make others miserable. I dont normally get emotionally involved with people I will never get to meet, however with those from SGU who Twitter they allowed us to get to know them a little bit and become “real” enough that the outpouring of support for Brian, Elyse, David and everyone was heartfelt.

    Brian Smith stated he was taking a retreat for a while and leaving twitter for a time for personal reasons…did anyone stop to think that this role as a main character was stressful and then the vicious attacks may have shaken him? Yes people, comments can hurt.

    Everyone is entitled to their opinion, just make sure that the opinion you express is stated in a way that it does not harm. And YES the actors do take it personally when their character is lambasted to the point that it spills over to them personally. There is a saying “do what ye will, yet it harm none”.

    Thank you for letting me post my opinion on your site, and please know that I for one will continue to watch, continue to care. Also just for a laugh, my husband calls me a groupie.

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  160. I agree with you on the tone of some of the comments, even though I don’t really like SG:U very much so far. I’ve found most of the episodes to be extremely predictable. Perhaps that’s simply a result of me being quite a different person now than when I started watching SG:1, for example, but still. It’s been disappointing.

    I find this decidedly odd in relation to your comments that the story elements have been open-ended or in any way more complex than the more “heroic” tone of SG-1/SG:A. Perhaps you didn’t mean to imply that the story is more complex or deeper, I find the exact opposite to be true. Perhaps things don’t end as “neatly” as on the previous Stargate shows, but that doesn’t stop the plots from being pretty obvious and not digging very deep in their use of tools to provoke emotional responses in the audience. So far, I find the majority of the characters to be childish, their motivations obviously emotional in the most basic sense. Perhaps that is realistic, but it’s not very entertaining. I really don’t have much interest in how the average person on the street(Or G.I.) would react to being dumped onto a spaceship a million light-years from Earth.

    That said, coming to a place like this and directly insulting the people who work on the show is plain stupid. It’s the internet, and to be expected, because few on the internet seem to have any understanding of the fact that they are speaking to human beings in the same way as if they were standing right in front of them.

    Still, if you spend time on the internet, you should condition yourself to some extent to deal with comments like these. Simply refusing to read honest, if harsh, commentary doesn’t improve your character or viewpoint. I’ve read and laughed at far worse criticism of work I’ve done than I’ve ever seen posted on this site. If that’s too difficult for some, then they should really consider stepping back from their own perspective. Pride is almost never a useful attribute.

  161. @ Rweethareyet : I’m not gonna pretend that I know anything about the military, but I would like to think that Scott ignoring his radio while making out with someone is perhaps meant to be a recurring gag..

    O’Neill had recurring gags where he thinks everything that happens is due to magnets and he misspells technological stuff ; e.g, neutrinos became nintendos and so on. McKay also had recurring gags where he complains about being hungry and almost anything else. In light of this, Scott’s recurring gag seems almost discrete.

  162. *applause*

    That was just amazing. Your rant was just fucking amazing.

    And though one would wish all comparisons to SG1 and SGA to be avoided . . . do people forget that every member of SG1 ended up with someone other than who they started with . . . several times over? Carter dated a few people (even got engaged to one) all while loving O’Neill. Jack dated around also while loving Carter. Daniel and Teal’C tended more towards the one and only true love, until that true love died, but they weren’t exactly shining beacons of purity either. At one point you in fact see Carter having sex with someone, though not graphically. I would never ever say that Carter was in *any* way whorish or any such related word, in fact I *dare* you to say she is!!! She is the *epitome* of strong Stargate women!! And yet, when Chloe, yet another strong Stargate woman, expresses her feelings and lives her moments as if they were her last when she has sex with Lt. Scott, she is suddenly a whore. Like you I do not understand this logic one iota. It’s like the CW canceling Gilmore Girls because they brought the wrong demographic. What?!

    I do not understand how the demographics work with the apparent opinion of the show . . . whether they are older and more conservatively tended towards the simpler SG1, or whether they’re just young and easily bored . . . but I truly love SGU. It has killed me these past few weeks when I see the credits roll, because I know I’ll have to wait a whole ‘nother week before enjoying the depth and wit and just goddamn awesomness of these characters. And the actors behind them! I admit, the main reason I joined Twitter a few weeks ago was because I heard so much about the actors twittering, whether random anecdotes or what they were doing that day. Through these little snippets, one can see they seem like honest, genuine people! People who, regardless of whether they’re on a TV show I like, I would love to meet one day! It’s heartbreaking that the reaction of some so-called “fans” has pushed them away. These people who claim to try to “better” the TV show by calling out apparent flaws. Do they not understand, at the very least of it, that these people have spent the better part of a year making this show? Making it awesome and perfect and worthy of our appreciation! This is their *lives* we’re talking about!! . . . Of course, you, Joe Mallozzi understand, as you are one of those people who have worked so hard . . . I’m just preachin’ to the choir here. It just . . . vexes and completely discombobulates me that these people would do that!!!

    So, all in all, I applaud you. For calling these people out. For being willing to snap back. For totally having the cojones to do this. Thank you.

  163. Bonjour Joseph!

    Ai – je dit quelque chose d’idiot un jour? =(
    J’espere toujour m’avoir justifier avec des mots qui n’étaient pas offenssant.

    Bah vous savez comme je vous l’avez dit les fans de SF sont un peu déconnecté de la réalité, c’est pour ça qu”ils trouvent un refuge dans ce genre de série (sg1, sga)..mais en l’occurence dans sgu ce n’est pas comme ça, donc ils doivent faire face à des choses de la vie difficile même si dans la réalité ils évitent tout ça . Moi personnellement j’ai vraiment du mal à me penché sur tout les problémes qui peuvent touchés chacun, je pense que c’est une perte de temp, c’est trop dépriment et ça fait mal…pourquoi de pas y passé et rire? =P
    C’est pour cela qu’avec certaines scénes de sgu j’ai du mal à les regardés j’ai tendance à passer certaine sscénes qui révéles certains travers de l’homme…et oui ! selon Anais le monde est tout beau tout rose^^!
    J’espere mûrir et un jour apprécier sgu comme sga et sga1 =)

    voila petit confession^^.
    Votre blog est trés important pour moi, ne l’arrétez pas pour des gens qui disent des béitises.


  164. on November 1, 2009 at 1:53 am | Reply Miss Samantha Marie

    I love SGU and the direction it’s going. The characters are extremely realistic, in a way I don’t think any other Stargate characters have been. I think each episode is better than the last and I’m excited for next weeks. It’s one of 3 shows I count down the days for. I think the writing is fantastic, though the Matt/Chloe relationship did seem a little rushed. I understand the “this could be the last time” fling in the bedroom, I just don’t know why he chose Chloe over Vanessa when he obviously had a connection with the latter. Perhaps I missed a spark or two between he and Chloe.

    Continuing with the Matt/Chloe thing (which seems to be the reason for the rant) : At first I did have a small problem with them hooking up in Light. However, it was mainly for Eli’s sake. It wasn’t the actual getting together that made me upset or the fact that Eli had his close-up sad face moment, it was the fact that as soon as Matt was gone, she was all hand-holding and snuggling with Eli. It kind of irked me. Like I said, though, that was at first. I realized that it’s not really her fault. It’s no ones fault. She probably see’s Eli as a best friend more than anything. He’s been there for her from the beginning practically, and he is pretty darn sweet. And she’s so darn cute you’d be hard pressed to find someone who didn’t form a crush on her. I think she and Matt make an attractive couple. Eli will just have to wait until some really smokin’ alien badass comes along (Teyla’s LONG lost TWIN sister, perhaps? 😉 )

    I don’t know why people have an issue with Rush. I actually feel really bad for him. It makes me a little angry that Young is so suspicious of him and his actions. That he knew what would happen in Light and just decided not to tell anyone. Rush is a good guy. I refuse to think otherwise. *prays she’s right* Don’t get me wrong, I love the relationship between Rush and Young. I think it’s one of the more interesting things about the show. I especially love when Young says “He’s a lot of work.”

    And I’ve lost my train of thought…


    I’m sad Brian and his mother and who knows how many other cast/crew/family were hurt by peoples comments. Although everyone’s entitled to their own opinions, they should always be aware of how they voice them, or in this case write them.

    Can’t wait for Earth. Everyone did a stand-up job so far and I hope SGU gets picked up for a second season. I’m also excited for the SGA movie and am looking forward to another SG1 movie. Keep up the amazing work.

  165. I think its mostly a cultural issue. I come from Holland and though I enjoy American shows very much, they are pretty mild by our standards. I wouldn’t even call any of the “sex” scenes very graphic.

    You see boobs here on TV during daytime (no its not porn, no its not damaging our children, no not all TV programs have boobs in them), its all about how much you are going to be a prude about certain things. I wasn’t shocked by the scene in Children of the Gods, certainly haven’t been by any in SGU.

    Though I think the point many people are making with Cloe&LtScott is that the romance seems a bit “out there”. They’ve been holding hands a couple times and had 2 conversations but that’s all we’ve seen of them together. On the other hand they’re attractive people so physical attraction isn’t the issue… 😉

  166. on November 1, 2009 at 2:03 am | Reply Miss Samantha Marie

    I remember what I was going to say before my thought train left the station.

    The Destiny. My goodness gracious, what a ship. Definitely on my top 3 favorite space ships of all time list, and I’ve seen my fare share of space ships. I think the writers did an excellent job in creating it. She (can I call it a she?) is as much a character in SGU as anyone else. Not only does she search out planets for resources, but she has waterless showers AND runs on stars? The utimalte green machine. Now I know what I’m asking Santa to get me for Christmas.

  167. re Glider and the spoiler alert… Um why? If you haven’t seen the episode, don’t click on the comments that day. It isn’t hard to just use main page
    where the comments aren’t shown rather than have up to 100 people a day put in spoiler area. Just ASSUME that there are spoilers in the comments and read them the next day.

  168. I have to say that I love the show. I also love SG1 and Atlantis (still hoping that the movie comes soon ;)). Also thank you very much, you answered my question about TJ, and what happens in the next episode, she was in command. It was suprising to see, at least to me and I really enjoyed it :D.

    All the actors and the characters on SGU are great, I would go so far to say that if they’re not like this that it wouldn’t fit in the show as great as they do now. In my opinion it is clear to see that really hard work is behind it, on the one hand the creative writing with the real interesting character depth on the other with the marvellous acting of everyone. Not to forget the superb people behind the sets and camera and and geez just everyone 😉

    I’m really hoping that you keep on writing on this blog, and also change Carl mind *keep fingers crossed*.

    So just wanted to add this question at last, it might be annoying to you to see it again but anything heard about the movies?

    Something I also have to add is, that I can’t wait for the next episode…that reminds me I have to apology, english isn’t my mother language so I hope you can read my text at least ^^”

  169. I just want to point out, quickly, to those who think that the negative comments speak for the fanbase… it really doesn’t.

    Millions of people view this show world wide, many of these fans. Consider how many of the fans come here, then consider how many post comments.

    I know of many who don’t post here simply because of the hostility. They read what Joe has to say and move on.


    All in all though Joe, you guys are doing the best you can. When you shake up a franchise as you have here, there were always going to be ans who reacted badly.

    Cheers to you.

  170. on November 1, 2009 at 2:46 am | Reply Rose (formerly OhioAnne)


    After “Darkness” I was still wasn’t happy some aspects of the show, but willing to give it a chance.

    Then, in the space of just one day’s comments on this blog, I was called a douche, lectured on what a “good fan” would do and, my personal favorite, given a long list of scriptures to read to cleanse my soul of my hypocrisy and all because I don’t “love” the show. And those comments were on top of the countless “get a life” type of comments already posted here.

    But the show’s detractors are the are the “only” problem?

    Take a second look at the comments made in response to your rant and see who is representing “your” show out there on the Internet. How long can you survive with *only* the SGU “purists” still watching?

    I’m done.

  171. I had no idea the comments on your entries had gotten so bad that you needed to write a post like this.
    The new show is fantastic. I was well warned not to expect the old stargate, though im so glad the writing is still beautiful.
    personally i wouldnt notice if you cut the graphic scenes. its just another part of the story. the show is meant to shock, cause a stirr in people and make them think (people dont always like to think, especially before they speak.) dont change a thing, the show is great.

  172. I followed the link to this post from David Blue’s Twitter account (though I am a long time lurker over here as well!) and I am actually somewhat disgusted that people have been levelling such vicious attacks at the actors and the characters they play. Having an opinion is one thing, and we’re all entitled, but some of the vitriolic comments I’ve seen? Is why we can’t have nice things. Case in point: Brian J Smith stepping away from his (very entertaining!) Twitter account.

    I’ve been a massive Stargate fan for 15 years and yes, I was sad when SG-1 and then SGA were cancelled (apparently this makes me ‘bitter’, and an ‘online thug’!). I’ll admit when the first few details of the new show were released I was a little dubious, but for the most part I have enjoyed what I have seen so far on SGU and it’s making me go back for more. Sometimes you have to take a franchise in a different direction and I have to say I think it’s working for me.

    Keep up the good work!

  173. Joe,

    Sorry to hear what people are saying. This is actually my first visit to your blog and I came because of a link from another forum. That user thought you were calling them and idiot, so I decided to read the post myself to see…and have decided that they were overreacting.

    I really understand where you are coming from. My father is involved in local politics and there are times when people post things online that I find offensive or question the way they worded something. I hope this will not prevent your colleges from leaving the online community forever.

    Also, I wanted to say thanks for your paragraph about the creative direction of SGU. I’m one of the people who has been disappointing with the show and I appreciate the terseness of that statement. Unfortunately that means I’ll probably stop watching the show on TV, but not entirely (there’s always hulu and gotta keep up the water cooler talk).

    thanks and I hope things get better for you all.

  174. Bloody well said frankly.

    There’s sometimes a phenomenon among fans that I’ll never understand, and can frankly only equate it an inability to seperate reality from fantasy.

    ‘Loving to hate’ a character is brilliant. Actually hating the character because of their in universe actions is very odd…

    I was always under the impression that good fiction, literature or visual mediums was about the story, plot, and the emotions it can stir within the reader/viewer. Hence I’ve always been confused when someone starts screaming about how ‘Woolsey just can’t lead Atlantis, he’s an awful leader! I don’t want him on my show!’ etc etc. I’d have thought that the socially inept nature of Woolsey and his by the book approach would be perfect from a story point of view simply because he’s so awful from a practical point of view. But alas, some fans seem to take to the Atlantis expedition, or the Destiny crew as if it’s THEIR own personal crew and rather than wanting good story, want what anyone would want in their own team.

    This in itself always bothers me, because what story would there be if the team was perfect? It bemuses me, but some people can’t seem to accept that whilst you may hate a person in real life who demonstrates a particular trait, in fiction they are the back bone of good story.

    So keep it up, and don’t let the moronic crowd get to you – as indeed you appear not to be.

  175. Thanks Joe.
    The adventure continues I hope with Season 2 and ok 3 or more. The actors are terrific and must really be doing a great job to bring out all the controversy comments. They are actors doing exactly what the scripts calls for, its not real life (is it?) so the writers are doing a wonderful job writing. I am enjoying the heck out of the show, it is Stargate and it is Friday night so happy I am. I appreciate it not being Rocky 99, die hard 78.. you know what I mean. Thank you all again and keep up the GREAT work keeping me entertained.
    @das, keep up the writing, I like to laugh.thanks! 😎

  176. Thank you for standing up to the idiocy out there. I am often embarrassed to go anywhere online where Stargate fans gather as I have never seen such a prime example of mob-think where the negative people reign supreme over fans who are positive. (And I don’t read the comments here, so don’t even waste time refuting me.)

    It’s not to say that other franchise fans don’t have the same segment of its population that behaves inappropriately. But other franchises don’t have the extensive level of contact with the cast and crew as Stargate fans have, either.

    I feel the worst for Brian and his mom who have been so wounded by this behavior. The two of them were among the first to reach out to everyone. They have been kind and caring. Those who have been so unkind might do well to figure out some way to get a word of apology to them; although I doubt we’ll get to see Brian online again. (And a con? Why would he do that to himself?)

    Joe, please pass on to everyone involved that there are fans out there who enjoy and appreciate their work and kindness. And I hope you will continue to entertain us with your blog; whether or not you decide to continue to allow comments.

  177. on November 1, 2009 at 4:22 am | Reply littlemisstwinkletoes

    I think it’s always very sad when people judge anything too quickly. We’ve only seen 5 episodes of this new show, yet people want to compare it to SG-1 (over 200 episodes) and Atlantis (100). With anything creative, especially if it involves something people are familiar with (a new take on an old play for example – which I’m only too aware of), or a new direction with a familar franchise as in this case), viewers feel it is their right to criticise. Whilst it’s good to share opinions, it’s not good to be personal. Everyone involved in SGU have worked their butts off to get it to our screens for our enjoyment. That must be remembered and appreciated. It must also be remembered that who we see on screen are CHARACTERS not those who play them. This distinction is often forgotten, but only by silly people. The actors are doing their job (and very fine jobs too) to represent a STORY and other people. I think it’s mean and cruel to start attacking actors because you don’t like what their character is doing.

    Give SGU a chance, watch a few more episodes, find out where the writers are taking us and if you still aren’t happy – the remote does have an ‘off’ button. Just choose not to watch it and leave it to those that do like and appreciate it.

    I would like to say to everyone behind & in front of the cameras – you’ve done a great job so far and I’m looking forward to how it all unfolds. Nasty people are in every walk of life, but it doesn’t mean we have to give them the time of day – just ignore them, that’s the best victory!

  178. If there’s going to be intimacy in your show why not throw Eli a bone, I’m pretty sure that would assuage the hard feelings a lot of your nerdbase has about Scott/Chloe 😉

  179. Okay, different show, but there will be more explosions, right?

  180. Personnel not personal

    SGU is like life…all kinds of people…all kinds of values
    Just like the comments you receive

  181. I can’t see the behind the scenes vid for some reason. It just doesn’t show up.

    Uhm… About your rant. Well while I have been in my comments harsh at times, I have expected it to be nothing you and others couldn’t deal with and certainly at least I’d like to think I’ve stayed within the boundaries of good taste. If that’s not the case, I’m sorry.

    For the comments you feel do NOT stay within the boundaries of what can be considered a healthy debate, I think you should moderate them out. There’s no reason why you can’t, it’s a private blog after all, and you have every right to moderate out swearing and gross insults. In fact the argument could be made that you have a duty do to so as a courtesy to other readers who read the blog and as a courtesy to the actors. I don’t really know much about US or Canadian laws in regards to defamation of character, insults etc (all that basically would be “iniuriam” in Roman law) but there have been cases of websites getting sued and won cases against all over the world. Usually the sites then had to provide IP adresses of those who did the insults but still, apparently there’s a violation of law there somewhere when you sprout insults at real people, at least, or else such things wouldn’t be ordered by courts.
    On the other hand, if you start to moderate… You do risk of course at some point starting to moderate out posts simply because they’re comments you don’t like. And, as one of your SGU characters pointed out cleverly, “Some people will think you have, anyway”.

    I’m just doing a little inventory of arguments for both sides, here. I’m not tipping particularly to either side of the scales.

    As for Carlyle/Rush, oh I don’t know. I have a soft spot for the character already. Call me nuts but I dig an anti-social streak…

  182. holy ****!

    well can you tone down the sex a little? its not like im getting any action right now so do i have to be reminded of that every freakin second! lol just kidding— about the first part.

    for me its about canceling Atlantis, always has been. and then u guys tarnish the Stargate name by displaying such filth—- again im half joking.

    but all in all, most criticisms have been unfair, however, thats your fans that supported your shows throughout and they just feel let down by all this, i mean a year ago it was so different then all of a sudden we getting Hooters in Space or something funny. the only scene i had a problem with was the closet one because it seemed silly but most of all shocking to see in a stargate show. if we are getting threesomes next, i got no problem with it as long as they are using protection—–those ancients gotta have had something stored around lol seriously though, its a good show, i never yawned once, and i yawn alot in other shows. i never looked at the time once, and i never disliked a character– i found them to be all interesting and well-written.

    having said that, im schizophrenic btw, this show has the same quality of writing as the other shows and the storytelling is somewhat the same in terms of plotting, only difference is style and a different foundation for character development. but its still similar, if you thought putting sex and atrocious behavior is gonna make it change then you have failed. otherwise i hope this shows gets as many seasons as SG-1.

  183. Joe–I agree with just about everything you said in your rant but I also agree with @anneteldy that the opinions of your blog readers should not be dismissed just because we’re a small representation of fandom. I would point out that the Nielsen ratings are also a small representation of fandom generalized to a viewing population in the millions and the Nielsens and ratings historically, are notoriously inaccurate. Overnights are taken from several thousand peoplemeters that do not represent the population as a whole. Peoplemeter data is subsidized by diary keepers, who are more representative, but diary info is significantly lacking in accuracy. Altogether, the data are not accurate but networks, stations, and advertisers buy into the system because there is no more accurate way to gather ratings, at least at this point. In general, I’d say that your blog readers are more accurately representative of fandom than the Nielsen ratings. We all watch the show. Additionally, your blog tells you why people are watching or may not continue to watch, something Nielsen cannot do. I think that makes us pretty important but that could just be my vanity at work :-).

    @das and @gracey–Music rights organizations like ASCAP and BMI gather payments from radio and television stations, movie and television productions in order to compensate (in the form of royalties) the composers, authors, and publishers of the music. Unlike performers, who get their money up front, these people must rely on the music rights organizations in order to be compensated for their creative work. I suspect that most of the problems with clearance have to do with television programs or movies whose rights were negotiated before the popularity and significant growth of DVDs and VCRs for that matter. The fact that older television programs and movies are not as popular as newer ones (read lower sales) means that any significant extra payment for music rights translates to a significant potential drop in profits. In order to release the program on DVD I think they substitute less expensive and less popular music for the original music in order to safeguard a profit margin. If the show’s owners don’t want to substitute, they opt not to release the series on DVD. Anyway, I think that’s what’s at work here but, then again, it could be those bottom-feeding lawyers screwing with everybody once again.

  184. @Rweethareyet

    I’m 23, I like the show so far. I may even cash out for one or two of my favourite seasons on dvd.

    I certainly do hope that SGU’s producers haven’t got the plan to sell on hormones only to the 20-something crowd, unlike Voyager with 7of9, lol. So far, it doesn’t seem like they’re trying to, so far it’s more of a Space: Above and Beyond kinda thing so I’m fine with that. If the show turns out like Voyager, I will stop watching. I never did see the last 2 seasons of that one.

    I do feel there’s a little too much graphic luuuuuuuuuuv scenes in there so far… This despite being into “Rome” where such scenes were much more frequent and graphic and despite having no problem with public nudity, polyamoury, despite reaaaaally loving the lovemaking myself… Despite being very, very far from a prude. So why I have a problem with the horny scenes in SGU… I think it’s because it kind of feels like they’re trying to cram them in there when there’s no room for them. For example, the steamy scene with Vanessa James in the pilot ep, I’d much rather have seen it as a kind of CSI-like flashback with short bits of footage in rapid succession for a few seconds, rather than a whole full-blown scene. It felt like the scene there was taking up time that had been cut away from other scenes.

  185. Hey, I believe I know the source of your insomina 💡 .

    Now that you’ve gotten that off your chest, I hope you can sleep well finally.

    Loved “Water”! Alien planets and dealing with alien problems are the greatest!


  186. I’ve got mixed feelings on this subject. Going with personal insults helps nobody and I really resent some of my fellow Stargate fans being as harsh as they are toward you and the actors/actresses. I think this is one of those things that can best be handled by ‘reasonable’ (non-hostile/civilized) fan debate rather than the mud slinging going on.

    This is meant as constructive criticism (hopefully interpreted as such), but please don’t be utterly dismissive of the voice of the fans due to a few loud souls ranting over what they hate. Stargate has survived network to network over the years because of the voice of the fans asking for it to keep going.

    Personally, I appreciate the new style and direction of the series. I enjoy the story of the Destiny and believe this to be more of what Atlantis should have been. This isn’t to say I didn’t enjoy Atlantis, but I never felt they were quite 100% in life threatening danger.

    I believe the majority of the controversy stems from the dual nature of Scott’s character. The religious aspect of his character (him holding prayers, etc) backfires a little due to him seeming sexually loose. He comes off as hypocritical due to it. While this doesn’t define the character, the flashback scenes in Light give me the impression that he’s been this way since his teen years and has never really grown up. He’s not convincing me, personally, that he’s military material. His priorities seem confused with his sex life taking precedence over his obligations to his career.

    Brain J. Smith is a fantastic actor, and personally I have no ill will toward him. The fact that he can play Scott and perfectly hit the emotional responses for the trauma and haunted history of the character is a testament to his acting skills.

    I have no hostility toward Scott as a character, but at the same time I understand why others may take offense. I neither like him, nor dislike him. I’m waiting to see where the character goes before forming a lasting opinion. I hope this clarifies (in a respectful and polite way) what some of the fans are trying to voice.

    I understand and respect you have to walk a fine line between keeping your creative direction and not alienating your fanbase. I would suggest, though, that you should take to heart some of the complaints and that some viewers might have personal religious and background reasons for disliking the sexual content. A compromise would be reducing the number of times we see Scott caught with his pants down (figuratively and literally) instead of slamming the door closed in the face of critics to get the last laugh.

    If the show is to last and maintain its viewership, you can’t just ignore the voices of the fanbase who have given you support for all these years and many seasons of Stargate. Its fans who make a show and fans who break a show. Not all of us are wanting to just rant. Some of us just want to be heard.

    It’s Stargate, people. Surely we can find some way to all (producers, actors, and fans) get along better and support the each other.

  187. I rarely read the comments, but I should have guessed the drama was the sex scenes. I gotta say, some of these complainers? Probably the same ones who were so intent on getting Sam and Jack together on screen or Sheppard and Weir. (Of course, they might also be those who complained about Sheppard and all his female aliens, too.) While it’s definitely a new aspect of the Stargate ‘verse, I have no problems with it. It quite frankly *is* more realistic. And I think you’re doing it tastefully. It’s not drawn out seven years, but it’s not happening every episode, either. My heart broke for Eli–but that’s *life*. Who will know what happens later? And frankly, I loved that James came to talk to Chloe about Lt Scott on the planet. That showed the best of humanity.

    And as always, I will never understand fan’s need to blame the actors. I guess if you want to call the character a whore, that’s your opinion (though it is an incorrect use of the word; use a dictionary, folks). But have some heart and recognize the character is not the actor, the actors read this blog, and their parents read this blog!! I can’t imagine how upset my mother would be if she read some of these things being said referred to me. On top of that, some of the complainers are no doubt parents themselves. How would you like it if someone talked about *your* kid that way? It’s just rude and downright mean.

    I hope people like Sherry and Brian know it’s not all the fans. There are just as many as obsessed fans who also understand restraint, manners, and who actually like the show. I really hope a few bad apples don’t spoil their whole experience. 😦

    Good rant, Joe. Understandable.

  188. Hi, Joe.

    My grandmother always told me that there will be some people who will complain if you hung them with a new rope.


  189. Hi Joe. First off I know I have been a bit harsh on SGU, not here but on Twitter. I was mad and pissed off after seeing Air because its not SG-1 or Atlantis. To be honest I still don’t like the word Stargate being associated with SGU, because honestly, it is not anything like what has come before. Don’t get me wrong, its a great show, and I enjoy watching it, but it is not the Stargate I grew up watching.

    As for some of the comments, I can see where some people would call Chloe what they have. She seems to very much run to the geek Eli for safe haven, and building an unrealistic relationship in his mind, then run to the handsome Scott for physical release. It is very stereotypical and I find it very very insulting to me as I have had that happen to me before. It was very personal, and I reacted personally to it. I guess I am not the only one. Did I call for the death of the actors? Of course not? That is stupid. But calling for a difference in how the writters think about certain situations? That is what a concerned fan does. The Chloe/Scott/Eli Triangle is a horrible Idea, and I fear it will end very, very, badly.

  190. How hard is it to understand people to change the channel if you don’t like whats on Because you all(Negative Commenters) are still watchin SGU and spewing you hatred and anger about each episode. Again SGU IS NOT SG1 or SGA! It’s one thing to be critical but being polite about it, but alot are not.
    Joe has Kind enough to bring a little of his life and Stargate to us. Please don’t force him to make drastic descions due to the idiocracy of a few.
    I for one don’t enjoy the info Get from gateworld or the likes. I don’t want it to end up that way.

  191. I liked the broom closet scene btw… it made me laugh a little bit and the expression that James had on her face as he left was great.

    I was also on pins and needles for Water because I’d heard a rumour that somebody was going to die in E06 and I had this very stomach-gutting feeling it was going to be Scott. I wouldn’t put it past you guys…

    I don’t understand people bashing a show and… still watching it… boggles my mind. I’ve watched a few shows that I declared awful immediately and my response to that was to do something else with my time. Do people really think you’re going to change the direction of the show, NOW, since they’ve complained? *shakes head*

  192. I feel bad that the actors and others involved in the show have been hurt by the comments they have read on the internet.
    However I think that, in this day and age it is going to become increasingly common that performers and creative folk are exposed directly, so to speak, with fans and critics.
    We, the unwashed masses, now have the ability to interact with you on blogs such as this, twitter and online journals. Reality TV has blurred the lines between people appearing on the screen as themselves or characters.
    There are no filters between what the public thinks and what the actors hear/experience.
    So, although it can be painful to hear criticism, it is probably not something that is going to stop, as long as people in the creative community offer themselves up online for such interaction.
    I’m sure there has always been negative opinion about a show or the characters on it, it is just that it was not communicated directly, as it is being done here and on Twitter.
    I have read scathing reviews of stage and film productions professional critics, which include criticism of the actors ability, appearance and performance, in addition to the writers and producers choices. How are these viewed by those involved? Are they as hurt by them as by the things they read online?


  193. P.s.
    Mr. M, I read the interview with James Bamford on Gateworld. It was so interesting. He must be fascinating to work with.


  194. There is something that I noticed recently that I would like to point out to those who are vehemently apposed to Chloe and Scott together. So if you are tired of this particular area of comment then feel free to skip this, though I think people will find this interesting.

    Do we really know what kind of relationship they have? Think about it they had sex in “Light” and were making out in “Water.” Now granted I am basing this though on just two episodes, and I will reevaluate it as I watch more episodes, but it seems to me that it is primarily physical.

    Don’t get me wrong, there do appear to be feelings and emotion involved. But I ask, to what extent. Granted they could simply be in the “hot & heavy” stage of a new relationship, but I don’t know. Guess we will have to wait and see how this plays out.

  195. @Gilder


    Pls cut and paste to your new post, then add your info. List is in random order. Entered some locations based on earlier posts. Feel free to correct my errors.

    Joe M. Vancouver, Canada
    Gilder Texas, USA
    PBMom Texas, USA
    Susan the Tartan Turtle Scotland
    SG-1lover Scotland
    Dasndanger New Jersey, USA?
    Charlie’s Angel Southern USA
    Pastrygirl Arizona, USA
    Montrealer Montreal, Canada?
    Rose/OhioAnne Ohio, USA?
    Sparrow_Hawk Midwest USA
    deeinsouthafrica South Africa
    Elminster Oshawa, Ontario, Canada

  196. on November 1, 2009 at 6:07 am | Reply HooliganTuesday

    Please don’t blame the fans for the failings of your writing staff, it’s undignified.

    You want to know why people are calling a whore (which is stupid), it’s because you had a whole 4 episodes prior to the sex scene contain multiple scenes of Chloe interacting with Eli, Chloe bonding with Eli, Chloe in sexist misogynistic shower based fanboy pandering with Eli and one scene with Lt Scott….

    Gee maybe if you’d wanted people to understand that Chloe and Scott have some kind of connection with Scott maybe you should have shown us some of it? Maybe it’s there in the rough cuts or you’re just seeing the relationship from the perspective of somebody who knows the entire story arc. But from the viewers perspective, it’s just Chloe decided to bang the Lt almost entirely out of the blue, it would have made as much sense for her to end up with Greir or Young, she’s interacted with them about as much.

    Remember Rule One: Show Don’t Tell!

    And no, if Carlyle had a twitter people wouldn’t be flaming it, because Rush is one of the few characters that haven’t been written as Whiny and unhelpful (Chloe), Irrational and dense (Young) or a smug fratboy (Scott). I get that it soothes your ego to call your characters ‘complex’ but they aren’t, you’ve written douchebags, writing an unlikable prat isn’t the same as writing a complex character.

    Finally your defense of a scene that served no plot purpose other than to get an attractive female cast member to stand around in the hallway in a tight top and panties is hilariously precious. Nobody is ever going to buy your line, no matter how hard you try and sell it.

  197. I guess I’m joining those coming out of lurkdom.

    Personally, I’m a long time Stargate fan and I love SGU. It’s different from SG1 and SGA but that’s a good thing IMO. I think the quality in SGU is fantastic – everything from the special effects to the acting which has been stellar.

    I can fully appreciate for the producers, crew, actors and families that hearing negative comments regards the show and its characters, especially those expressed in an angry and abusive way, can be extremely hurtful. I feel huge sadness that they have already been hurt by what is a tiny element of the overall fandom.

    I also feel an enormous amount of frustration about how these same fans and others take it on themselves to spout opinions about how the whole of the fandom feels about SGU, about the sex scenes, about Scott-Chloe, as though they were elected representatives when they are simply expressing their own opinion. I hope all involved with SGU realise that these fans do NOT speak for the fandom – and that Stargate fans are a very diverse group with wildly differing views on all elements of the franchise. For every fan who hates Chloe or Scott and their relationship, there will be someone who loves them.

    I’m looking forward to seeing the rest of SGUs first season (and I say first because I can’t believe it won’t get picked up for a second), and my thanks to cast and crew on what so far has been an extremely quality slice of weekly entertainment.

  198. I’ve never posted here before, but I read this blog every single day (right before my Organic Chemistry class, actually), and I appreciate what you’re doing here. I’ve also noticed that the people who hate stuff on the show are a lot more vocal than the folks that love it, or people like me who like it but don’t quite love it yet. So, take heart, cast, crew and producers, you have an entire fan base full of people like me, the girl down the hall from me, the guy who sits behind me in Organic, and my little sister, who watch the show and like it but never mention it online.

    Also, while I’m at it, my sister would like to inform you that she has high hopes for a return of “the sand critters.” Is there a chance a few cells followed them back through the gate, or were they happy on the ice planet?

    And again, thanks for providing a forum of interaction here. We’re not all jerks, I promise.

  199. Shame about some of the fans lucky its a minority that are posting these idiot comments. I am loving SGU by the way and so is the rest of my family who did not sg1 and atlantis like me.

  200. Hi Joe,

    Sorry to hear that there’s negativity – it really, really isn’t deserved. I’ve asked around for opinions on the show from old fans and new viewers, and they’ve been positive and hopeful towards it, if not down-right enthusiastic (though my geologist friends are out-raged that you killed the geologist). There aren’t any complaints about the portrayal or writing of the characters – they’re engaging and wholesome. Smith and Levesque are doing a great job.

    I guess crazy people post online because no one else will listen to them. And crazy stupid people – do you really think they’re going to work out how to post properly? They should be pitied. Infact pity them, it’s probably the exact opposite of the reaction thay’re hoping for.

    It’s also possible that some offenders are venting, but revising their opinion later, and not following up online to post that they’re not angry anymore.

    And on the subject of follow up, I’m getting used to the camera movements – originally thought they were jarring at times, but hardly notice it now. Adds to the show nicely.


  201. “Fans need to remember that it’s just a show. And you guys need to remember that we keep you in business.” ~ Robert McLaws

    Best comment made to date.

    Yes, fans do need to remember it’s just a show – don’t like it? Watch something else. And never, ever attack the actors.

    But the creators also need to remember that it’s the fans that keep a show on the air. Any way you look at it, we are your bread and butter. As Johnny Depp often says of himself, ‘the fans are my boss’. Sure, we can’t tell you what to do, but it is always good to keep a finger on the pulse of your fanbase, and not blow off what you perceive to be minor symptoms, because it may turn out to be a major problem in the future, even spelling death for the show.

    If there are elements that are turning people away from the show – those people who are saying, “I REALLY want to watch this show, I like it for the most part, but I just can’t get past such-n-such”…maybe it’s more productive to look at how ‘such-n-such’ can be tweaked a bit to make the show more entertaining for all, and not just for a few.

    Most of the complaints I hear are those revolving around the increased focus (for a Stargate franchise) on sexual relationships. This is my biggest complaint as well, for reasons I’ve noted before (and won’t bore you with again). I choose to watch sci fi over the likes of Grey’s Anatomy because – for me – sci fi has always been about adventure, science, the unknown, and teamwork. SGU does have all of that, and I was actually okay with the sex UNTIL I read your comments above. Now I almost feel as if the creators have decided to use this element to effectively thumb their noses at viewers – to see how far they can push the envelope, not for the sake of the story, but solely for the sake of pushing the envelope. “You don’t like it? GOOD! We’ll shove more down your throat, just to see how much you can take before you choke! So THERE! PFFFT!”

    That’s the feeling I have now – after a good night’s sleep and time to reflect on all that you said – and now I am more apprehensive about what is to come.


  202. […] I go further though, check out this link to Joe Mallozzi’s blog. He is a Producer and Writer for the Stargate Franchise. I believe it was in and around seasons 3-4 […]

  203. Joe, sorry…I should have added that it may not have been your intention for your words to come out that way – it’s just how I’ve personally perceived them. So don’t get defensive! I betcha you like me better when I have insomnia, eh?



  204. Thanks for addressing those issues. I’ve followed the cast and crew twitters from the beginning and have really enjoyed the comments. When some of the converstions took that negative slant I was surprised and dissappointed. Surprised that people are actually that ignorant and dissappointed that such words can be hurtful to some wonderfully talented human beings. I enjoy your blog and the comments and at times some of the remarks tend to raise the hackles but I’ve always found that to respond in kind is giving those people what exactly what they want, attention.

    Thanks for that video clip. Must have been a grueling shoot. Different logistics from the White Sands shoot, much more confining and closed. How much time did it take? Did Justin and Brian do all the suit work themselves or were they blessed with stand-ins?

    Love the show. Thanks again for the dose of sanity. And for Sherry, if you can pass it on at some point, your son is a marvelous actor and (if his tweets are any indication) a fine person. My kids are close to his age and I understand completely how you must feel.

    P.S. Does glowering Carl really have other expressions??

  205. Very well said, i think there are a lot of people who need to think on what they are posting before they post,

  206. With 124 comments already posted and Sunday dinner on the go I’m going to have to catch up with everyone elses posts later, however I would like to say how very sorry I am that the cast and crew have been subjected to negative criticism. Without them we wouldn’t have our entertainment for that is what it is, pure entertainment and I for one am very grateful to be allowed a little insider info courtesy of the great Joe M.
    I hope those responsible for such petty ill-informed downright nasty “criticism” are hanging their heads in shame and that I have not contributed to the overall bad feeling in any way, if I have it was unintentional and I apologise unreservedly. I’m loving Universe and am appreciative of the more adult themes tackled therein which is what the human condition is all about.
    To those whose noses have been put out of joint I would urge them to up their medication and get a life. I quit the forums years ago because of this and I only feel at home on Joe’s blog because the majority of regulars are sincerely wonderful people who seem to feel the same as I do.

    To those cast,crew and family who regularly read i would beg you to turn a blind eye to those small minded individuals and please don’t think ill of the silent majority of fans who love and appreciate every effort you guys make in order to give us some real quality storylines and acting.

    @Carl, dude I hate to think you guys feel this way because of a handful of ingrates and I’d hope you will return to reading Joe’s blog soon.

    Seriously you guys ROCK.

    Moyz X

  207. […] Shared October 31, 2009: That Long Overdue Rant – And A Behind-The-Scenes Vid From Water. […]

  208. I am so sorry to hear that ‘fans’ [and I’ve chosen to use the inverted commas] are being rude and horrible and disrepecting what they supposedly support. There is a medium to critique and to give constructive criticism but to blatantly criticize with unjust reasoning is wrong. Just because a plot line isn’t going the way I want, doesn’t mean that I will go to someone else’s block and opening voice my displeasure for all the world to see. That’s just rude. Yes, we’re all entitled to our opinion but there is a limit and as a great actress once said, ‘it’s just that. An opinion.’ It really is unbelievable what some people think.

    Sanctuary is getting the same backlash from fans who are petitioning and boycotting the show. It’s ridiculous. I was upset as the next person but I won’t go that far because I love the show with all my heart just as I adore the Stargate franchise and I’m taking SGU into my fandoms and I’m loving it. Whingers and haters only get noticed because they are louder than everyone else and everyone dislikes seeing pejorative comments. I’m sorry to hear that that is reason why Brian J. Smith has taken a step back from twitter as I am one of his followers. I follow them all.

    Hopefully, the haters will go away and transfer their hatred to something else and leave the ones that like and love SGU in peace.

  209. It’s a shame about Brian’s twitter account. I enjoyed his tweets.

    I wish it was so easy as to say, ‘ignore the idiots’. But it is pretty easy coming from somebody like me who does not have to endure the type of net ‘assault’ that those in question have. Hopefully they know it’s just a vocal minority.

    We’re loving SGU in this house, and everybody I’ve talked to likes that it’s ‘not your typical stargate’.


  210. Sorry to hear how cruel people can be, but if its any help, the first year of the reimagined BSG brought a ton of the same hateful people out of the woodwork. Hang tight, you guys are on to something – something special, wondrous, and entertaining. Every episode is better than the one before, which is exciting since the last few episodes have been close to perfect.

    Side note – I never considered the SG-1 characters perfect so I continue to respectfully disagree with the SGU creative team on that note. The actors (and stories) brought out idiosyncratic moments which were some of the most delightful beats of the series.

    Best wishes.

  211. Hey Joe, I agree with everything you just said. I mean, people knew show’s gonna be different, if they don’t like it, why watch?
    And I like all the characters so far. Eli, Scott, Chloe, psychotic dr. Rush (lol) and all the rest, of course. And i never considered Chloe a whore, or Scott “off” because he was with one woman first and with second next moment. He’s not attached for cryin’ out loud to the first lady! People who ditch the show, i’m not sure they know human behavior. Reactions vary from person to person, some things are cliché, but still “normal”.
    Plenty people don’t get the “drama” innit, but i’m sticking with it!
    I hope you all get to do your third sg1 movie, i really miss the crew. 🙂 And how bout you guys close things for Sam and Jack? 😀

    *gives cookie to Joe*

  212. @ Sherry, you have an enormously talented son and every reason to be proud of him, as a mother myself I understand how you feel, tell me who to punch as I have all this menopausal tension to get rid of in as constructive a way as possible.


  213. Wow great post. I agree people can get a little too opinionated about some subjects especially when the are covered in a show that they get so emotionally invested in. Sometimes they can get nasty and completely lose the whole weight of thier arguement like you just stated. I myself absolutely love the direction of the new show. I was definitely a fan of the previous (I.e. SG-1, Atlantis) but this one, I feel, os finally the direction I was hoping for. A much more creative and dramatic version of the story rather than staying comical. Please keep doing exactly what you guys are doing, and try not to let the trolls get you down 😉

  214. “if it’s a matter of not enjoying shows that focus on the occasional romance between characters, then that’s unfortunate – because that’s the type of show you’re watching. If, on the other hand, it’s an innate response to the very notion of intimacy no matter how modest the scene, then I’d suggest a deep-rooted personal issue that would be best dealt with somewhere other than this blog.”

    So the only reasons people might not approve of the scene are either they don’t enjoy romance in shows, or they don’t like any intimacy in shows? Hmm. Sounds as if someone doesn’t understand why people might disagree with him. The problem is with characters and situations who obviously exist just as fanservice. Have a real romantic situation, with leadup and fallout, and you’ll get less complaining. As it is, its not much more then fanservice, useful for the effort to switch demographics. No real attempts have been made, from a narrative standpoint.

    Does that mean people should be calling the actress and actors involved bad names? No, thats getting personal and unprofessional. But this criticism isn’t going to go away. On the other hand, people are still watching the show, so apparently the criticism doesn’t matter. The only real way criticism can be shown is by not watching the show, or not buying the DVD’s. The latter takes far, far too long for it to actually have an effect, especially in the short-term business culture. The current isn’t happening, yet.

  215. As iI have grown up so has Stargate!! Keep up the great work and forget all the idots out there!!
    SG U is awesome and i cant weait for every Friday night!!
    Thanks for such great work!!!!

  216. Joe,

    Thank you – and Carl. I commented for the first time in a while yesterday because I had stopped reading alot of the comments – for reasons you point out. If I have ever offended you in any way with a post – I am sorry. Not my intention. I just couldn’t believe people were being mean to Brian – a very sweet guy – for a role he plays on a TV show. That just really floors me.

    Almost everyone who posts here loves the Stargate franchise and appear to be very nice people. I think the problems some are having relate to the fact that they don’t want SGU to move in a totally new direction. Fair enough. I haven’t commented much on SGU because I have not seen enough episodes yet.

    When I start watching a new show – I expect to watch a fair number of episodes in order to understand the characters, the story arcs and its nuances. I don’t expect someone attached to the show to answer questions for me each time I see an episode. Joe – you are amazingly gracious to do that. People should not take this for granted. You are under no obligation to answer anyone’s questions and yet you do.

    For me, having a show dissected everyday just takes things away from the experience. So, I have tried not to read too many comments here lately as I realize others don’t feel the same way. But folks should really think before they comment and apply some empathy about how they, themselves, would like to be treated in online discourse.

    I am looking forward to the next SGU episode, BOTM and your Japanese culinary odyssey. Thanks for all you do for the fans.


  217. Just a recommendation to posters. It’s more considerate to avoid using “THE” offending phrase to make your point, even in support of Joe’s rant. I think the point is that certain language is inappropriate in any context related to commenting on the show.

    I think Joe’s is asking simply people to make their points respectfully. It’s not too much to ask.

    I’ve recently started reading Joe’s blog, and It’s become part of my daily reading.

  218. You know, I wasn’t an avid watcher of SG-1 or SGA for no reason other then I just wasn’t. I had no reason to not be a fan or to be one either. I heard about the new SG series SGU coming to SyFy and heard the concept and was reminded of the show “LOST”. I’m a huge fan of having the ‘wrong people’ as the cast because I’m a fan of every day situations. What they did with SGU, was take the every day people and put them in a very non every day situation and I was hooked. Overall the show is taking a bit of time to unfold and show some main theme for the season and if it’s fixing up the ship, I have a feeling the viewer count is going to drop steadily. I don’t intend to give up because I feel it’s been great so far and have I wouldn’t have made any changes as far as character development or dialogue.

    To have people slander characters and them as a person is out of the question considering they can’t change their character. They writers chose the characters and how they’re to be unraveled over the course of the show. Now if you don’t like them because they break some moral code, then say why you don’t like them (Quoting “Rweethareyet”: On the first show I had a problem with Scott while in the broom closet, ignoring an order from his commanding officer. As the wife of a military man I found this to be a big problem. He did it again in this last episode ) She didn’t break out and call him a ‘whore’ or any of that. Simply just busting out the “He/She is a whore” line really shows you haven’t taken much thought into the show and just perceive with your eyes and not your mind.

    The following is just rant, read if you want ~

    I have both heard and read about people slandering characters who they simply don’t ‘like’ eg. Chloe Armstrong and Matthew Scott due to the nature of their relationship after what Matthew Scott and Venessa James showed in the pilot episode. Now to clarify, the people who are playing the roles of those characters, have no means to change them because the writers have unfolded them that way and to change that, changes everything. We have Eli Wallace to obviously likes Ms.Armstrong though she is enjoying Matthew Scott’s company instead. So that in itself is a story to be played out along the course of this show. So to call Chloe and Matthew a ‘whore’ because you don’t like their character is by far hard headed thinking and complete arrogance to the fact it’s for both character and plot development. It shows Matthew is very confrontational with himself after getting the sixteen year-old gear pregnant after wanting to become a form of religious figure in his life. So we see that he wants to be pure of heart and follow God, but at the same time, can’t resist being physically interactive with those he feels for. Now Chloe’s reason for being attached to Matthew is because he was there for her after the passing of his father as this is mentioned in the blog.

    So if you really feel the same way after reading the blog and other numerous comments along with mine. Then I suggest you simply go watch “The Hills” or some other ‘bogus/stupid/retarded’ show that you feel makes you warm and fuzzy inside. I speak for myself but encourage others to agree. I would happily point you in any direction but here for the duration of forever.

  219. I think the SG:U guys on twitter has been a highlight of my twitter use. I’ve used twitter to interact with people that normally I wouldn’t have a chance to. Most of the time it’s been either programming/IT stuff or usual stuff with friends. When the SG:U group started twittering it was great – watching a group of friends who worked on something they hoped we’d enjoy.

    Sadly I think it’s pretty inevitable they’ll stop for the same reasons as Brian. There seems to be this mantra that because people work in public jobs they have to accept the public’s abuse. Combine that with the internet’s anonymity and you reach new obscene levels of abuse.

    Eventually public people will retreat into a walled environment where they can share with everyone without opening up to the flood of hatred. I’m hoping that the smart guys at twitter will work out a way to keep twitter involved because while interacting with one member of the SG team (yourself) on a blog has been very fun it really was something else to get that sense of active and inclusive community that came from the SG:U twitters.

    I’m also worried that while the SG production team has been very savvy to social media that if it is left up to Sony/MGM or syfy it could end up being something very sterile and processed.

  220. Hi Mr M!

    *Phew*….Right on!

    I have been keeping a low-profile here at your blog recently, to avoid spoilers and well frankly to avoid the borderline comments.

    As usual Mr M. you have hit the nail on the head, and as I’ve said before, above all else I admire your honesty. Something I always find refreshing.

    I was saddened when I learned that BrianJ was stepping away from Twitter and equally saddened that Sherry was stopping visiting here.

    As an interested fan of the SG franchise, and one lucky to have visited set, and met with many of the cast and crew, I have nothing but admiration for the whole production. That said, I don’t always agree with story direction or character lines etc. However, I don’t like beetroot much either….I don’t however rail against the beetroot manufacturers or call them names. (Maybe THAT’s why there’ll still in production?)

    I (as only one fan) can continue my support of the franchise, marvel at the great story telling, and continue to voice my enthusiasm for all things SG. As for the vocal minority who descend to name-calling to make their point…well….*shrugs shoulders*.

    Keep up the great work all! And know that, to the informed, intelligent and appreciative fan, your efforts are not only admired but also greatly anticipated week in, week out.

    Best (as always) from Ireland.


  221. At what point do you just have to say It’s a TV show, shuddup and watch it? I mean, It’s a very good TV show, but C’mon lads….

  222. I’m quite enjoying SGU for the most part. I loved and still love SG-1 to this day. I used to like SGA but I became so bitter and disillusioned by it in the end that I still can’t watch any episodes. But I have my excitement back with SGU which I’ve been missing.I have no problem with change as long as the show is good quality. As thus far I think SGU has good potential to be a good show. I love dark and gritty shows which IS probably why I liked Star Trek DS9 more than any other Trek show. If SGU is even half as good as that show I’ll be happy. Sure SGU hasn’t got the action (thus far) and humour of SG-1 but It does have the potential to be up there with SG-1.

    I haven’t seen the ep Water yet cause us Brits don’t get it till Tiesday but I watch it on Wednesday at 9pm, Tuesdays ep gets edited if there’s anything “inappropriate” in it because it’s on at 8pm, before the 9pm watershed 🙄

    But from what I’ve caught on GW, TJ gets more to do this week. I’m looking forward to that, I wasn’t sure about her at first but after what she done to Telford in Young’s body, sedating him gave me an appreciation for her, she seems like a no nonsense kind of person when It comes to medical things 🙂 I hope we see more of Young though in the coming weeks 😀

    All this verbal attack on the actors is shocking, I mean they’re only doing a job, it’s not their fault what went on before so why blame them 😦 Please tell the guys they do have some support 😀

    1. Do you play computer games? My favourite console is the Playstation 😀

    2. Is Louis Ferreira really so mad? :p I like guys like that. RDA was a tad mad too :p

  223. @Twiceborn: “Also, I didn’t watch Water and I’m not planning on watching any more SGU. I’d like to make sure you guys lose at least one viewer while I’m spreading bad publicity about the show. I’ve seen and heard from you enough to know that this show is not worth my time.”

    I wonder what you have to gain from spreading bad publicity about the show. Will you be taking out a full-page ad in the New York Times? Does anyone actually listen to you? I find your comment mean-spirited and immature, and can’t imagine why you would even bother to write it. Can somebody really be this angry with a tv show?

    Good morning, Joe. No wonder you’ve had problems sleeping!

    Inasmuch as I love this blog and the friends I’ve made here, I wouldn’t blame you a bit for shutting it down. I’m so sorry that anybody has gotten hurt or angered over it (especially Brian’s mom) – it’s simply not worth it. However, I think that most of the fans commenting on this blog are mature, respectful people. Hopefully, the ones causing all the unnecessary strife will simply fade like a bad memory. Please invite Brian’s mom back, there of those of us that appreciate her son’s work and would love to hear from her.

    I’m sure you know that many of us really do appreciate and thank you for the opportunity to be a part of this, whether it be to praise or kvetch, tell you about our day, our dogs and whatever else we want to share. I sincerely hope something good comes out of your rant, and that we’ll all continue to be here for a long time to come 🙂

  224. On the other hand maybe I won’t read the other posts, i just spotted one that made my blood boil…grrr!

  225. @Robert McLaws
    It’s a very strange sense of loyalty that posts threats, promises of abandonment and expectations of misery.

  226. You go Joe. Like I said you have the patience of a saint to deal with… well … all these comments.
    I’m still not hating SGU and resolve to watch it recorded to get thru the ads.

    If it wasn’t for the artistry and talent of the crew, i.e. writers, producers, directors, designers, coordinators,production assistants (Ashleigh), etc. – I don’t think I would be watching SGU. And after watching the actors, hey, yeah, they are great actors. They all must be doing their job if everyone is feeling so passionate about how much they either hate or love a character and the writers must be doing a their job if they can drive the character in the direction they want them to go. (does that make sense?) It is a character driven show.

    But if some viewers think the sex is offensive on SGU… then they should refrain from from Shakespeare if they don’t want to be offended by sex and bawdiness.

    I think it’s great that we do have an opportunity to let you know Joe, how we feel. I don’t want to see this blog end it’s more than just about SGU and the franchise – it’s weird food purchases, comment contests – what happened to them??? Behind the scene vids, pug pics and vids, oh and yeah BOTMC. Tho I don’t get a chance to read the books but I am introduced to them and read about them.

    So if you have to do more filtering and sensor the comments more…please don’t end the blog. I would miss Carl’s expressive photos and Ashleigh’s devious antics.
    My heart was broken when SGA was canceled, sniff , sniff,
    please don’t end the blog. please keep it going. pretty please.

  227. Hi Joe,

    I have been an avid reader of your blog for quite some time now but have never left a comment as i have found most of your entries and/or associated comments have usually articulated my view (that and i am lazy). Your entry today – and if i’m honest some of the comments on your blog from recent weeks – have motivated me (finally) to post a comment. While i have watched Atlantis, i was never a huge fan, i loved SG1 and after only a handful of SGU episodes i can say that i am completely and utterly hooked (in fact i wish the season was over so i could go out and buy the DVD boxset and watch all of the episodes together, because waiting a week between shows is torture).
    Now, regardless of whether I like or dislike individual stories, character arcs, plots or swirling sandstorm aliens, any abuse that is targeted at the actors on the series is absolutely and totally uncalled for. These people have made a huge effort to engage with viewers and for ‘fans’ to shower these people with spiteful remarks just because SGU is not exactly like the previous shows in the franchise or because Brian J. Smith (or others) have the audacity to portray fully rounded flawed individuals is, frankly, ridiculous.
    I can only say that i truly enjoy the show (and so far every coworker i have introduced to the show has had only good things to say), and that all of you involved in the show deserve great credit for taking risks and not simply providing another uncomplicated clone of SG1. i cant wait for the next episode (and being in Ireland we are a few days behind) and I truly hope that spiteful comments by a few faceless eejits on the internet are seen for what they really are, unimportant background noise.


  228. Now look what you have done, sitting there complaining about stuff which in no way didnt need to be complained about, if you dont like it because it insults your views either stop being so prudish and ignor it or stop watching and boring the rest of us and getting people who take time out of their lives to talk to the fans to feel like they shouldnt.

    To Carl, Brian, his Mother and anyone and everyone else connected with SGU – dont let the morons get you down and I hope someday in the future you reconsider stepping back from those who really want to connect with you and support what your doing! Really enjoying the first season and look forward to you all coming back to make the next season as you deserve to do!

  229. Hi Joe

    It’s been a while since I’ve made a comment but just had to come here after hearing what’s been going on.

    After the first ep I thought…that was pretty good. Now after Light, I’m hooked… I don’t want to miss an episode…and really love it.

    For my sins, I go on GW everyday and have been reading quite a bit about the show there…very carefully though as here in the UK the eps run a week behind and I’m trying not to be spoilered too much.

    On the whole, there’s a huge positive reaction to the show. Many new fans coming on…so many in fact the site crashed a few times and has since been upgraded to allow for the incoming hordes.

    There’s a small and very focal few who really enjoy attacking every little thing…stuff which makes me wonder about their sanity. There’s no point trying to reason with them and I never bother.

    As for the ‘sex’ scenes…I’ve seen very few negative comments from anyone in the UK or Europe about it and I can see why….very mild and nothing remotely bad about them.
    If that means we’re a bunch of bleedin’ liberals well then Yay!

    Anyhow, as for the characters, they’re a motley bunch….all the better for that I reckon and I’m enjoying getting to know them. And Rush is bloody fantastic. I’m looking forward to seeing where you’re taking the show… and him. 🙂

  230. Oh yeah how could I forget, Joe. This blog has brought together a group of people here in Florida and it reaches many other fans in way that we all can’t imagine. Please don’t end blog.

  231. Thank you, I have been feeling the same way about how some people choose to word their comments. Unfortunately, I have partly stopped reading the comments section and some forums due to this. You and the production staff have been saying that this is a completely different show from the very start and still some people are surprised that this is a completely different show…go figure.

  232. Bravo, Joe, for your rant.

    Just want to say that I’ve generally liked what I’ve seen on the show and probably haven’t spoken up enough about that. My one “nit” has been that the female characters haven’t been given the chance to shine as much as the male characters. But, the emphasis on TJ in “Water” really helped address that. I hope we can find out more about her in the way we have with the men.

    Another poster asked the following:

    “Uhm. Isn’t that what pollsters and focus group studies do? How else do you figure the opinions of the general viewership?”

    There a marked difference. Pollsters make every attempt to get a random sample of the population. Focus groups are recruited in the same way.

    People making comments on a forum are not random. They are selecting themselves to speak.

    Nielsen is a random sample of the U.S. viewing population. TV shows have been know to plummet in the ratings if the public doesn’t like them and it happens quickly. There are a hundred channels to watch and the typical viewer just isn’t that patient. Last time I looked, SGU was holding up rather well.

  233. I think you will find that there are a lot more people who enjoy the show as is compared to the ones who complain about it.

  234. It is truely a shame that a rant such as this is needed. It is sad that so many people have no filter, no sense of moderating their own comments. Feeling entitled to spew whatever venom they want with no regards to anyone else’s feelings. These same folks who stand up and scream that they have a right to their opinion and to state it loudly would be singing a different tune if someone were attacking them in the way they are so smug and self assuredly attacking folks they have never met.

    Yes, everyone is entitiled to their own opinion. You do not have to like SGU. You can even state, that you don’t like it. I’ll freely admit so far I’m still on the fence. I dont’ hate it, but it hasn’t grabbed me the was other shows have. So what? Does that make the show and its cast evil? Some folks like chocolate, some like vanilla. Its an opinion people, not facts. What you think doesn’t translate to the masses. Yes, there may be a lot of like minded folks out there posting away making you think you are a genius, but doesn’t mean everyone is of the same mind. The show is not your creation. You are just a viewer and if you don’t like the direction it takes, use your remote and change the channel.

    I get feeling a sense of ownership. You find a show you love or a franchise and you feel invested, but in reality its not yours. The writers and creators are going to do whatever they want. Its their baby not yours. Its okay to not like the show, but its not okay to insult and ridicule people, real people that have been kind enough to open themselves up to you. If you are invited into someones home and you hate the decor do you tell them that? Wow, that is one butt ugly sofa, what were you thinking when you bought that thing. Somehow I don’t think you would say that. Would you tell a co-worker that you think their girlfriend is a whore because of her outfit? I hope not. We all have thoughts that go through our head, but we don’t need to state them out loud or type them for all the world to read.

    Joe doesn’t have to have a blog and he doesn’t have to be so free with allowing all the comments to be viewed. Brian didn’t need to have a twitter account. They allowed us a peek at the inside and we abused it. We went into their virtual homes and insulted them. Bad guests, bad manners and we should feel shame. Sadly while I am seeing some apologies here I am seeing way too many entitled comments here. I am sorry for Brian’s mother, as a mother I completely understand her feelings. I am sorry for Brian. I loved his Q & A here and his tweets. It was nice of him to interact with the fans and I truely understand his desire to back away. Clearly he wasn’t prepared for the ugly side of fandom. Please send our apologies to any and all that were offended and let them know we aren’t all idiots.

    I love the SG franchise. I’ve had the pleasure to meet some of the actors and they are all full of class. I enjoy reading this blog and feeling a sense of involvement. Sadly for the most part I can’t speak as highly for the fandom. Some really scary vocal folks out there. I have met some outstanding people as well but its not a fandom I would ever want to immerse myself in because its so steeped in negativity.

  235. Interesting rant and reactions. Having worked as an actor doing wee bit parts and lots of BG, I’ve had a first hand glimpse of the craziness that the industry engenders in the public. It is an unfortunate fact that some of the viewers are unable to separate the actor from the character. A franchise with the depth and history of the Stargate universe (as opposed to the nascent Stargate Universe) will tend to draw a far more emotional response from an audience that is highly invested. Strangely enough, it is a mark of the success of the Stargate brand.

    Television is a writer/producer’s medium and the cast have a very limited amount of time per episode to get their character across on the screen and in production. They are also limited to what they are given in the script, how they are directed on the day and what remains after the editing and posting process. I’ve seen what I thought were brilliant, moving performances on set only later to watch a finished show and find that all of what was so good in those moments has disappeared. It might have been due to time constraints, technical glitches, editorial decisions or any of a number of other factors. The actor’s fate lies in the hands of others and a personal attack on the performer isn’t fair. Which isn’t to say that there aren’t bad performances but that is a whole other kettle of fish.

    I’m a Stargate fan as the 15 box sets and two TV movies on my shelf will attest. The two prior series were different from one another and I recall it took a while for people to accept Stargate Atlantis. SGU is quite a different show from either of the prior series. I had great hopes for a more adult Stargate and I’ll admit that so far I’ve found the shows disappointing, though I’m hanging in to see if the cast and the writing gel. I’m willing to give the series a fairly long leash if for nothing but the selfish hope that there’ll be some decent science fiction of TV.

    My main complaint is that the writing hasn’t been up to the standards I’ve come to expect from Stargate. I felt the Kino-cam was a lazy device that smacked of ‘telling and not showing’ the characters, it reminded me of Big Brother and that is not a compliment. I understand that there was a need to deliver some exposition in a hurry and establish some of the ensemble players. That it dragged out over two episodes was surprising, though it did reveal the first character that I really took to, the awesome ‘earthquake girl’ speech was the high point of that show. I have no problem with interpersonal/sexual relationships, I just find that I don’t care for or about the characters involved in them. There is no substantive story justification for Chloe’s prominence in the show as anything other than the attractive leading lady. Her character is decorative and there isn’t necessarily anything wrong with that but she’s brought nothing else to the table. She’s pretty, she kisses or she cries, the writers haven’t established any other abilities or traits for her and that certainly is not the fault of the actor.

    For some reason I find that the characters I enjoy are the ones I suspect I should be less attracted to from the writer’s viewpoint (which I am making leaps of assumption about), Rush is the main protagonist so far for me. He’s the rational man surrounded by irrationality. He’s willing to look at the hard truths and act accordingly. The commander has struck me not as flawed but as incompetent and unfit for command. His appalling decision making and paranoid suspicion of Rush makes little sense since Rush has pulled his bacon out of the fire time and again. Greer is the morally ambiguous character with a past yet he has quickly become the one character in the military that I actually believe in, his portrayal has been top notch. The Scott character is supposed to be a protagonist, the trusted second in command. Yet his decisions both personally and professionally are highly suspect. And in terms of performance, I’m sorry but the actor is lacking in charisma, generic if you will.

    And then there’s Eli. I’m sorry but the Eli character is so transparent and forced that he sets my teeth on edge. The character has no charm, what my mom would have called gormless. The crappy pop culture jokes and references don’t work, the cliche that the dumpy boy genius saves the day isn’t working for me. Eli is the embodiment of what some call ‘fan service’ a character created to fit a set of relatable stereotypes, someone for the geeks in the audience to relate to. In many ways Eli is the character around whom the show has revolved and it is a bad sign that he is just such a goober. I’ve taken to think of him Eli Crusher, Wil Wheaton is an awesome guy but his most noted role was reviled in the Star Trek community for good reason. I sincerely hope that the characters and writing settle into a better groove over the rest of the season. As with any creative work, there will be criticism and I also hope that it can contribute to the understanding of the show for and from both the fans and the production.


  236. Well, i totally agree with you. SGU is a different show then Stargate SG1 or Atlantis.
    That’s way it’s called SGU NOT Stargate next door.
    If the badmouths don’t understand this I’d recommend some sopes to them, there’s almost the same storyline every time.

    NB! My heart only longs for more episodes, can’t wait for the next one!

  237. “I wanted to like it, I tried to like it. I just don’t.”

    I think that is where a lot of the resentment is routed. Normally when folks watch a show they don’t like, they just change the channel. But the Stargate franchise brings a lot of fans with it who want and expect to like the new sheep in the fold just as much as the older ones. But SGU is really different from the other SG shows and this puts some fans in a position where they keep strenuously complaining but are unable to just let go.

    Personally, I very much appreciate the new direction, because I think the other SG shows really had run their course. SGU is as different as it needed to be for the franchise to live on.

  238. @Joe – Well, I agree with most of what you said. However, there was one thing that caught my attention. To give an example, you said:

    “ … but if, in the body of your comment or any subsequent comment, you refer to the James character as Lieutenant Rack or McBoobs, then you’re a hypocrite who has successfully undermined their argument by demonstrating you can’t be taken seriously. Also, you’re an idiot.”

    I agree with the point that you are making here, but not so much with how it is being made. I noticed that while you were asking people to consider their words and the impact that words can have on others, things like “ … these same morons…” and “idiot” were words that you chose to describe or potentially describe others. For me, that took away from the argument that you were making – an argument that I agree with. And this is not lip-service, I really do agree with your point here.

    I also understand how you were using these words – I really do. And, I mean no disrespect in mentioning this; it’s just kind of what bothered me about an otherwise pretty good blog entry.

    I read through all of the comments after your entry and was surprised by some of the nastiness and name-calling that was pouring out of some, not all but some, of the people that are supposed to be the positive ones. This lead me to notice that some people have been positive in their disagreement, while others have been negative in their agreement.

    From my stance, your point was that it is not so much the agreeing or disagreeing that is the problem, but the way in which we do it. I hope people that agree and disagree can take this to heart. Calling people and/or their statements derogatory names is not really necessary, at least not to me.

    The most I have ever said to someone that I severely disagreed with was that I didn’t appreciate their post, or any of the links that they attached to it. And even with some of their word choice afterwards, I understand the meaning behind what they say. This of course is something I accept as we all have our own views.

    Anyway, I am not asking anyone to change what they say or how they say it. Honestly, I don’t even expect it. I’m only adding that it would be nice if we could get past all of the name-calling. Like you said, it hurts people and/or can be offensive. I understand that you may not approve this post, and it’s fine with me if you don’t. I know it’s long this time, but it’s what I have to say.

    Peace & Love,


    P.S. Still hope Max is doing fine

  239. IAWT rant.

    My partner and I liked SG1 and SGA very much, but we *love* SGU. It’s darker, grittier, the characters are complex and morally ambiguous – it’s a mature show for grown-ups, with an engaging visual style, and bags of character development. After watching the pilot and telling each other how much we loved it, we both guessed that many SG1/SGA fans would be critical of it because of the darker feel, and greater level of character conflict (which are the very things I love most about it, personally).

    While the critics are entitled to their opinions, a lot of the criticisms seem to amount to “the characters aren’t behaving the way *I* (my friends, my family) would in this situation, so they’re rubbish/immoral/unrealistic/etc”. This, to me, makes no sense at all. Essentially they’re grumbling that the characters aren’t predictable *enough*? They’re complex characters. As with real people, one isn’t supposed to instantly understand their every motivation. That’s what makes them good characters – that you have to get to know them slowly, that they don’t always act in a way you expect, or approve of. A character who behaves exactly the way you expect, whose every action is completely explicable, isn’t necessarily a better/more consistent character – just a more simplistic one.

    Even worse is when people bash the actors/creators because they don’t like the show. Criticising the characters is one thing; belittling the efforts of real people (who are doing their best to entertain us, here) is mean-spirited and ungrateful. If you have strong feelings of any kind about a character – including strongly negative ones – it means the actor is probably doing a *good* job. Don’t blame the actors if the characters have traits you don’t personally approve of.

    SGU is a darker show, with less happy-fluffy characters than the previous SG incarnations. IMO, it’s preferable to its predecessors for that reason. Clearly not everyone agrees, but guys – that it’s not to your taste doesn’t mean it’s not a good show. If you don’t like it you don’t have to watch it. If you like it, but have specific criticisms, great, but be courteous and constructive when you voice them. Please don’t make us all look like a bunch of petulant, childish asshats!

  240. Dear JoeM

    When you quote me in your little self-congratulatory blog (which by the way I don’t read but was linked to) here’s a few things to think about :

    – When you’ve just accused people of being bad because they made personal attacks on your cast and crew (something I agree with incidentally), then you sound like an asshole when a few paragraphs later you attack ME personally.

    – You then go on and call me a “one grade school narrow-minded poster”. Just for the info, that means nothing to me, we have different school grades where I live, but I still assume it’s an insult. Mind you I don’t really care one way or the other being insulted by a hypocrit, so go on, insult my intelligence, it’s not like I’ve ever though I was smart anyway, you can hardly smack me harder than I daily do so myself.

    – You insult me although I was not talking to you. I was not even posting in your blog.

    – You insult me when I expressed anger at being told to accept whether or not something was sexist. Let me tell you in a few words where than anger comes from : Years (say about 30) of being abused physically and mentally (daily) by men, that creates some serious PTSD. So when I think something is sexist and I’m being told by MEN that “no, it’s not, you’re wrong, your views of the world are wrong”, then I deserved to be seriously pissed off and I deserve to express that anger. How does it feel to insult a survivor with PTSD ?

    – You insult me although nowhere in my little and yet very angered comment did I even say the word SGU or your name or the name of anybody else for that matter.

    – Should I have posted that angered comment out there ? Probably not, I agree. One should never post when they feel anger. Do I regret that I did ? No, because I assume the fact that years of abuse have made me an angry person sometimes, especially where men are trying to tell me what to think or how to behave. I will not apologise for being angry over those issues, my anger is valid, it has anchor in reality.

    Seriously, I don’t even know why I clicked on that link I was given, call it morbid curiosity, same thing for that link to your blog, completely morbid, knowing that you will say something that will insult me one way or another (usually it’s not personal though, you’ve stepped it up since I last read you almost two years ago).



  241. *doesn’t read spoilers, just scrolls to the bottom*

    Wtg, Joe. I so understand you – idiotic and negative comments/posts made me leave GateWorld. There are a lot of new member, who joined Oct 2009 (hmm, wonder why :D) and they’re great. The majority is the existing fans.

    All levelheaded people are respected by me, whether they like the new approach of Stargate or not. It’s just not their cup of tea and they move on.

    I’m so in love with SGU and can’t understand what makes some people type in capitals that SGU IS BOOOORING. But I don’t start insulting them. Some have even said if you like SGU then you have never seen Stargate or you’re blind.

    Dammit, I’ve seen all of SG-1 multiple times, all of SGA and I love SGU to bits and they say I have never seen Stargate?!

    I better stop now. Otherwise it’s gonna take some time to calm down. And a lot of ice cream.

    I’m so with you, whatever you decide to do. Even if it means closing down the comments. Maybe it doesn’t make the bashers go away, but their talk is so pointless anyway, there’s nothing to miss. Only the sensitive and reasonable fans, who enjoy the mailbag, will suffer.

    You do know that there are a lot of fans, who enjoy the show, right? Not all are about making idiot comments. They just don’t spread their ideas all over the web, like bashers like to do.

    Like me. I keep my distance from here, from GW, from Twitter, from MGM’s site… just to avoid spoilers and get the most from new episodes. Because I like SGU too much. 😀

  242. Nice rant, very civilized.

    I do like SGU; thank you, and everyone associated with the show.

    I see some Idiots are oblivious, and have far too much time on their hands. I am amazed. As this is your blog, I do not take others to task over their comments often, the most virulent was not SG related. I was a bit surprised you allowed it. But if I were to cross a line, I’d like to know. I trust the others who post here would say something. I’m itching to have at a few folks this moment … I think we each have our idiot list on the mental back burner. But picking apart posts line by line is not my thing, far too OCD and self-righteous for my tastes.

    I think I will begin sending handwritten notes of appreciation and thanks. Now I simply have to get off my lazy virtual arse and find the studio address… I’ve seen ot posted before but neglected to jot it down.

  243. i will find you!
    and punch your face

  244. Good morning, Joe! I hope you slept better last night.

    On my first trip to Japan I was with a tour sponsored by the Art Institute of Chicago. I realize that people travel for different reasons and, for some in this group, they were in Japan not so much because they wanted to experience the culture and and food and art, but because it was a place they hadn’t been to yet. One woman (who was in the second category) bitched and moaned constantly, “the people here are polite, but they are just not friendly; nothing like the people in China” and “well, in China they don’t make you take your shoes off all the time” and so on ad nauseum. One day as we returned to the bus, she was at it again and ended with “… this is nothing like China!” to which my companion answered, “That’s why they call it JAPAN!”

    The same applies to Stargate: Universe!

    Have a great time on your vacation, Joe. Have some wild mushrooms and duck soba and I’ll enjoy it vicariously.

  245. @Trish(aka Whovian)
    “floridiots” really? After Joe gave his view on this, being from Florida, that verbage is just wrong.

  246. I admit that I do not like SGU and no longer watch it. I tried to get interested, but there is just no spark between the show and me. Normally, I scan your blog but do not read the individual comments, so I was somewhat surprised by your latest rant.

    With so many modes of instantaneous, and anonymous, communications available to viewers to vent their speens, it is hardly surprising that a great deal of vitriolic criticism gets through. And while I do not condone some of the more outrangeous comments on your blog, GW forums, Twitter, etc., I cannot believe that you and other members of TPTB, as well as the actors, have not been able to develop thicker hides by now. Certainly, the actors have gone for auditions and been turned down for parts before, and if anyone connected with SGU was even partially aware of SGA fan sentiment after the show was cancelled, they should have anticipated some backlash, although I am uncertain that the comments are coming solely from disaffected SGA fans. (For the sake of fairness, you, Joe, have resorted to snarky comments about one SGA actor (NOT the character) more than once. For example, I refer you to your blog of 2 June 2009. You may have set a standard you would now prefer to forget?)

    As to the possibility of Robert Carlyle being berated on Twitter by “morons”, I would pay to read HIS replies! I know enough Brits to know that they are more than capable of taking one’s hide off with their scathing — and usually articulate — retorts.

  247. cancelled the sgu

  248. Regarding spoiler space….for those of us in the UK, we don’t get to see the new episodes for 4 days after the US…sometimes spoiler spaces are useful for those that don’t want to miss out on more than half a week of Joe’s blog and the comments…….just a small request/thought…

  249. Dr. Suess break!

    “Then ONE day, it seems…while the Plain-belly Sneetches
    Were moping and doping alone on the beaches,
    Just sitting there wishing their bellies had stars…
    A stranger zipped up in the strangest of cars!”

  250. My husband and I have been loving SGU so far. As previously said, it’s darker and feels more grown up, but that’s what has made it compelling to watch.

    Looking forward to what the rest of the season will bring.

  251. I really want to love SGU. I don’t. I don’t blame the actors; they can only work with the framework they are given. As I’ve said before, we can only address specifics we see on the screne. There are loyal audience members saying that the product doesn’t match the intention.

    I do want excellence. I don’t think, given the track record of this franchise, that this is a reach. SGU doesn’t have to look like, smell like, sound like the previous shows. But I expect it to achieve the same narrative integrity and excellence. I don’t think it has.

    That’s all I’m saying. Make it better.

  252. I really don’t understand poeple who are not able to express their opinion without hurting someone else.
    Unfortunalty, I not surprised it happened here too. I had a similar problem on my website. Well, not exactly the same problem, because they know that I and some others won’t allow them to be unrespectful, but we had some members who won’t watch the show because they are still mad about Atlantis.

    I understand that people get mad because of the end of SGA (hell, I wanted it to be on a season 6 too!) but I don’t understand when they are punishing the cast who have nothing to do with any decision made concerning Atlantis or the movies!
    Concerning the crew, well, I thing you know better than everybody else what you are doing with your shows and I think we have to trust you all. I least I will. I mean, you did a great job for 15 seasons, why will it change now?

    I just wanted to post this comment to show some support. Not every fans are jerks (sorry if I’m offending someone but I really think some deserves it!). I’m really ashamed to be considering as a fan like them, because I don’t think they deserve to be call like that. Being a fan is not just liking a show, I think it’s also supporting a cast and a crew, it’s a passion. I don’t think poeple are still fans when they don’t enjoy all the work done. We can desagree with some dessisions of course, we’re not stupid robots, but their is a line poeple can’t cross.

    Anyway, this really piss me of. I really don’t understand.

    I just hope that both the cast and crew won’t get hurt to much because of those commants. I believe everything will cool off with some time. Poeple who don’t like the show will stop watch it, poeple who like it will follow SGU and everything will be back to normal eventualy. Some of us really enjoy your work and love SGU already. I hope you’ll be alble to forgot about thos morons and move on. Ignoring them is the best to do.


    PS : sorry if I made gramar mistakes of anything.

  253. on November 1, 2009 at 9:41 am | Reply Jean de Montreal

    Wow! What a response!!! If that rant made you feel good as much as me, I must have made you feel pretty good.

    I can’t start to figure out, in the 21st Century, after having experienced 50+ years of television, that some people cannot still make the difference between an actor and a character her plays. Do these people still run out of theatres if they see an oncoming train rushing toward the camera?

    But you know, on the side, that should mean that Brian J Smith does a hell of a good job at acting. So much anger ought to earn him an Emmy for best supporting character. He deserves it.

  254. Hi Joe,

    Long time lurker here who never reads the comments just the blog. Sorry people are getting so pissy about SGU. Its only a show and has only started. It is different to what has come before and it may just take people to come round. I think its made a very promising start.

    As for poor Carl, give him a (manly) hug. My wee boy likes Pochahontas a lot. I will go and hire it out for him. Does Carl still get royalties? 😉

  255. @Joe:

    Well said and bravo. I feel the need to briefly point out that I’m one of those fans of SGU who has a few lingering issues with it, but doesn’t get involved in such actions as labeling characters ‘whores’ or attacking actors for their characters’ attributes. In fact, I praise them all for their hard work and dedication and strongly believe you have a real winner of a cast on your hands.

    Please pass this on. Not my comment, necessarily. I’m not that arrogant and there isn’t much to it, anyway. What I meant was, please remind them — everyone — that there are thousands upon thousands of better-natured folks in the fandom, eagerly looking forward to seeing them again next year. And please tell Carl and anyone else on the production side of things that they definitely have their fans. Like I said, I do have a few lingering issues with the show right now, but that doesn’t change the fact that for twelve years now the team behind the camera has been doing something with extraordinarily high hit-to-miss ratio. I’m proud to have been witnessing this firsthand for the past six years of it.

    It breaks me a little that Ms. Smith had to go through that, too. If you get around to it, could you let her know that a few of us are truly sorry she had to see that?


    Your position on romance in entertainment mirrors mine. I hope we’re both wrong and an increased focus on it doesn’t kill the show for either of us, but in any case I found it amusing sifting through all those lines up there in which you basically stated where I stand. I wish there were more of us out there with similar footing on the issue. Mr. Das and yourself doubtlessly have many other things in common to make up for it, but one thing I’m so grateful my girlfriend agrees with me on is the necessity for subtlety in romance, if indeed romance is to be covered in the first place. And oftentimes it’s preferable for us that it isn’t.

    “I just don’t give a damn about love! I’m one of those ‘if it happens, it happens’ types – no need to talk about it. Well…except to complain about it if/when it becomes a focal point of a tv show.”

    Seriously, you and I must now go off and make a television show. It’s so comforting to know there’s another ‘me’ out there when it comes to this sort of stuff.

  256. Hey Joe. Although I do feel you are rather thin-skinned when it comes to criticism sometimes, I do see your point clearly. In fact, I’d already concluded that you are very protective, not only of your cast (which is good) but also of your characters (which is quirky but cute) before you said it in today’s rant. I’m glad you finally published your rant, and I hope people take your words to heart and think about how what they are saying sounds.

    On a much happier note…. I’ve been reading your blog for many years now, and am finally responding… not because of any of the series, but because of your dogs. I am a dog person too. I have three of my own, Junebug, a Rhodesian Ridgeback mix, Threeofhardts, a golden retriever mix, and Duct Tape, a purebred Rhodesian Ridgeback but the runt of the litter. I do agility with Junebug, she’s awesome and has more ribbons than I have wall space for. Duct Tape is just now old enough to compete and she has incredible promise. I also from time to time have a foster, Meddy, who just happens to be Junebug’s littermate and belongs to my neighbor who often needs a good place for him to stay for indeterminate periods. He’s a good dog dad, but doesn’t really understand dogs, but he undoubtedly loves that dog and the dog, of course, loves him back, although he loves his Auntie Jean too and the highlight of his day is coming here to play.

    I really love reading about your babies. They are very sweet. It just amazes me what wonderful creatures dogs are and how incredibly blessed we are to have their love and loyalty! I have fibromyalgia and a couple other health problems, and my dogs give me a reason to get up in the morning and not sit around being depressed ’cause I don’t feel well. They are lifesavers!

  257. What? Someone complained about the second Chloe/pb (prettyboy, he is pretty, its not sexist, & I can not remember the char. name)? [Add to that the lighting was/is awesome.]

    The first was fair game though when its the premiere and you are watching it your young’uns. Whoa! What?

  258. Whoa! This is at 240 comments as I write.

    Joe, this IS certainly your blog and I am grateful for it and to you for the time & effort you invest in it. It may have started out as a way to keep your writing skills sharp, but it has grown into much more for you AND for us. Being careful of one’s word choice is always good practice, easily forgotten, alas.

    To Sherry and Brian,
    Please do not let the harshness penned by some commenting here ruin your experience and enjoyment of a truly wonderful blog, host and community of devoted SGU fans. There are far more of us who truly appreciate the entire SGU production’s efforts, skill and talent than do not. Please don’t give up on all of us.

    Of course SGU is different and edgier than what went before. If it were a clone, I’d be disappointed. Do I still hope and desire an SGA DVD movie or two or three… yes. But, I am absolutely enjoying SGU, more and more each week. I admit to being hesitant at first, but SGU is growing on me and I’m happy that it is.

    @Elminster and Gilder
    Joe M. Vancouver, Canada
    Gilder Texas, USA
    PBMom Texas, USA
    Susan the Tartan Turtle Scotland
    SG-1lover Scotland
    Dasndanger New Jersey, USA
    Charlie’s Angel Southern USA
    Pastrygirl Arizona, USA
    Montrealer Montreal, Canada?
    Rose/OhioAnne Ohio, USA?
    Sparrow_Hawk Midwest USA
    deeinsouthafrica South Africa
    Elminster Oshawa, Ontario, Canada
    2cats, New Jersey (shore), USA

    Following instructions, I have copy/pasted the location list and added myself to the end.

    Happy Sunday… long live Stargate Universe, cast, crew, et.al.


  259. Well put, Sir!

  260. @Gilder and Elminster. Put me down as being from Virginia in the USA.

  261. I like SGU.

    Just sayin’.

  262. If the ancient stone devices can be used to temporarily transport people from earth to Destiny, then why wouldn’t they bring over more scientists/Ancient experts like Carter, McKay or Dr. Jackson to help solve some of the problems rather than relying totally on Eli and Dr. Rush? I would automatically assume that they’d want to bring over additional geniuses to help.

  263. Maybe if the show was better people wouldn’t attack the cast so much just an FYI

  264. Hey Joe, I really like the pallet of color used on the show. The planet in Water looked incredible. Kudos!

  265. I think that was very well put, and I’m quite glad that it was not super ranty, for, as you put it, it’d be quite easy for others to just ignore what you said, which is something that had to be said. I think it’s unfortunate that people feel that they can hide behind a computer to degrade someone in ways they would never even think of doing in person. I’ve seen the increase in this too, in fact I haven’t been posting/going through the comments here partly because of that. I’ve stopped reading most of the threads over at Gateworld too.
    And like you said as well, the vocal minority is just that – a small minority, while most of us support the cast, crew, and show. But hopefully the offenders can move on, and allow the rest of us to enjoy the wonderful piece of television that you, Brian, and the rest of the SGU cast and crew have created.

  266. Can I applaud you here?

    I’ve not always seen eye to eye with you on many issues, Joe. Actually, in the past, I have often thought you were trying to stir up the fandom for fun.

    But this is one of those posts where you’ve used your brand of self-assurance to do something that was long needed.

    I, personally, haven’t yet warmed to SGU. It’s enough to keep me watching week on week, but I’m not convinced yet. But it’s early in the season and characters and arcs need time to develop. So I’m not writing it off yet.

    But the people who constantly gripe about sexism really grate on me. And we seem to get a lot of that at the moment, particularly amongst people who were fans of previous female SG characters and expect these new ones to live up to preconceived ideas.

    Apparently, sci-fi should be a utopia where all women are as brave and strong as the men. If this is not the case in reality, why should it in TV? Because the strength of sci-fi lies in the real person, those very identifiable characters living through the extra-ordinary.

    I’m sorry, but women are NOT all strong, intelligent, brave, heroic and all the rest of it. There are a hell of a lot of women out there who are scared, who do defer to the men around them, who don’t like to lead, who are happy with the gender roles that society gives them. So why shouldn’t THESE women be represented on television as well?

    Then your comments about the online fandom being a niche whose ideas don’t necessarily match those of the majority. That was the moment I genuinely wanted to high five you.

    I’m a huge fan of Sanctuary and recent developments in the show have sparked one of these “Save Character X” campaigns. They’re saying they will stop watching if she doesn’t return and that it will kill the show… much like they did when Daniel / Janet / Carson / Weir et al left. If every fan in online fandom stopped watching a show, there would barely be a dent in the figures. Just because they’re the most vocal doesn’t mean they are the majority.

    And it doesn’t mean that they should bully the production staff, cast or anyone else. It is not their show. It is the property of the creators who have a story to tell and have to do what they need to facilitate that story. Whether that be Chloe and Scott’s sex scene or killing this character in Sanctuary.

    The problem with online fandom and interaction with production staff etc is that instead of just allowing feedback and the chance to interact, it seems to have given a large number of fans this completely ridiculous sense of ownership.

    Anyway, I will finish my rant at this point. It seems that I felt just as strongly as you did on this subject. Well done for standing up to them and protecting your cast and crew.

  267. This is quite possibly the best blog addressing fan/enemy idiocy I’ve ever read. It’s something you find in every medium and it always elicits instant anger from me. There are few good qualities to be found in someone who is narrow minded, overly opinionated and love the sound of their own “voice”.

    It’s a shame that people can’t separate an actor from a character and would lash out at a person because of qualities their counterpart has (and, dammit, I follow all of SGU’s cast and crew on twitter… I miss people when they feel the need to leave). It’s even worse that they have no consideration for the fact that their statements hurt others.

    But the greatest disappointment lies in the revelation that they actually expect changes in a show that was 80% shot when the pilot aired…

    There’s a great solution for anyone who is dislikes a show. Don’t watch it. Go back to your happy place of fan fiction and daydreaming. If enough people agree with you, it will fall into obscurity. If you are the minority, then the show goes on and everyone can be happy.

    Again, great blog. Everyone should read it.

  268. “Trust me when I say that there’s no better way to guarantee a character’s long and fruitful stay on a show than to insist we get rid of them.”

    Now I understand how Beckett got killed off. He was just so likable that no one was demanding he be killed off.

    Oh, now I’m officially demanding that Col. Young be killed off ;).

  269. So what you’re basically saying is that you only want fans who praise SGU and as usual are not interested in any critique or criticism of SGU. Sorry but you can’t just squash peoples opinions because they don’t agree with you and if actors can’t cope with their CHARACTER being critizised then maybe they are in the wrong business.

    If you are offended about a character being labled a whore which I do agree is a pretty strong term, then why set up this character in this way. Scott was humping someone in the very first episode and he can’t seem to go for very long periods of time without sex. If this is what you deem character development then I’m not really interested. You continue to insist this new show is Stargate but yet it has NOTHING of the appeal of the former shows. You insist we will all love this new and grittier Stargate but yet when fans still insist they don’t like it you get pissy. The actors are happy to speak to the fans when they are praising their work but yet get upset when some fans don’t like it.

    I didnt see you running to defend Joe Flanigans character when he was labled a man-whore because he flirted with one or two women. Outspoken fans are not new to fandom or to forums and SGA received their fair share of them but again I didnt see you jumping to defend the actors because some namelss fan had said something mean. I find it odd though that you expect fans to just blindly accept anything you throw at them and the ironic thing is that its the fans who thought they were going to love SGU are the ones that are complaining about the overuse of the meaningless sex scenes.

    I think the fans that are not interested in SGU have moved on and its the ones who are trying to give it a chance are the ones that are posting on GW and here on your blog, but as you can see many are thoroughly disappointed at what they are getting, but each time they voice their opinion you act ourtraged because they don’t share your opinion of the show. I think everyone is aware by now its not like SG1 or SGA, you dont need to keep pointing that out but that doesn’t mean that even though it’s nothing like the previous shows many fans thought they would enjoy it, but alas are finding very little to enjoy about the bickering shallow characters and the complete lack of any plot. So I guess my opinion will probably annoy you as well but thats what TV and entertainment is all about, some will love what you do and some will hate it and there is no need to take any of it personally.

    When you change everything about what made Stargate so popular, don’t expect everyone to be happy but don’t keep asuming that fans don’t like SGU just because its different to the previous shows, most don’t like it because it just doesnt appeal and I could list a dozen reasons as to why it doesn’t appeal to me but I’ll refrain.

  270. on November 1, 2009 at 11:07 am | Reply Rhonda Gelinas

    Well said. It ticks me off that people expect the show to be exactly the way they want it, and are quick to condemn it without viewing the full picture. I’m curious how many of the people condemning it now are the same ones that condemned it before it was even out. I’m sure it’s a substantial number, so what that proves to me is that they are looking for things to complain about because they were never happy anyway.

    To me, there are so many more things in life to complain about than a television show. What about the starving children all over the world, or even the horrible economy. Why waste time complaining about a TV show when you could be complaining about the rest of the world’s problems, and doing something to try and help solve them?

    SGU is my favorite show on TV right now. It seems like most of the rest of shows on TV are all doing the same things, so I applaud the writers, the cast, and the crew of SGU for thinking outside of the box.

  271. Alalala ça fait plaisir à voir tout ce soutient =) 260 commentaires! bah dit donc^^!

  272. Whoa! A lot of comments.

    In case you remember what I wrote… and that I wrote something, I’d like to add that I’ve always been very proud being part of SG fans. Times like these, IIRC you’ve talked about this subject before, I feel embarrassed for my fellow fans.

    There have been interviews were the cast says they admire the big and loyal fandom the SG franchise has. Lately said by Elyse and Robert Carlyle. That makes me feel honored. But also concerns what they might think of us now after such negative comments.

  273. I never watched SG1 or Atlantis. I’m hooked on SGU. Didn’t mean to, since I didn’t follow the other series, but damn I like this show!

    I love the deeper character development, and the darker side of the characters. It’s an excellent show! It’s okay for it to be different.

  274. This is exactly the reason that I have left the GateWorld forums. The sheer amount of stupidity coming from a small number of loud mouthed idiots is staggering. Thank you for posting this. Now if only the morons who can’t separate fantasy from reality will get it through their thick skulls.

  275. Just a question about the comment page. Why is there a little thingy posted with my first comment. I didn’t put a little thingy there,( I don’t think I did). I really don’t like the little thingy. That’s all.

  276. on November 1, 2009 at 11:30 am | Reply Charlie's Angel

    Hi Joe — Thank you for your comments. I hope you and the SGU family know that most of us comment to share our likes and dislikes about the show, not to bash someone personally. If any of the comments I have posted offended an actor or member of the production staff I am sorry and truly didn’t mean for it to.

    @ Mary on arthritis — cherries have a natural anti-inflammatory effect on the body and are actually a remedy for gout. My mom has terrible arthritis and she has had good response with glucosamine/chondroitin. She also took Limbrel, which is a prescription “medical food” that helped her pain tremendously. Also, just as an experiment try drinking lots of water and avoiding diet sodas.

  277. Wow, looks like you got hit by a very sneaky division of the Fandom Wank Patrol.

    They hide behind intelligent sounding terms like “Constructive Criticism”, “Characterization Issues” and real-world issues like “Sexism” and “Misogyny”, when all they’re really trying to say is they think you screwed up in the OTP department. (OTP = One True Pairing, for those of you following at home.)

    These are the fans that took it upon themselves to hand out the Destiny’s billet assignments before the real list came down from the top brass, and are now pissed because they’re being forced to see “changes” in what they deemed should be the norm. Forget the fact that if they had simply waited for a couple of weeks, they never would have had to wrap their fragile minds around the big, scary bombshells of who was going to shack up together and when.

    Come on, guys. Halloween was yesterday. Enough with the theatrics and disguises and pony up to what you really are: Disgruntled Shippers (who unfortunately have access to TPTB to a certain extent) that are simply bitching because the writers butchered your beloved OTP.

    Newsflash: THE SERIES IS ONLY 7 EPISODES OLD. Anything can happen between now and the season finale, so don’t get your freaking nickers in a twist simply because two characters hooked up in an instinctual need to combat the extreme negative of the situation they were in.

    For all you know? Chloe could look at Scott five episodes from now and deem him a childish pretty-boy and break it off. Oh yes. Because I, too, have been gifted with the clairvoyant powers you all seem to possess and choose not to use.


    Get over yourselves, disgruntled-people-hiding-behind-sexism-et-al, and grow-up.

  278. I don’t normally comment, or post my opinion, or whatever. But I wanted to say that I agree that people shouldn’t be harsh towards real people — actors, writers, etc — yet, I think it’s also fair to take negative opinions into consideration.

    Yes, people who dislike the show are watching it. Why? Becaiuse it’s *Stargate* — I really want to love this show, (I currently lean toward liking it) and I’ll give it a good, long time before I make any decision either way, because it’s *Stargate*. I have no problem with sex scenes. I like sex scenes, just not when they make no sense (I don’t entirely understand why Chloe was with Scott, and not Eli). I’ve yet to form any attachment to the characters beyond ‘Oh, this one is interesting’ and I’m holding out for the sci-fi element. Yeah, character stuff is cool, bring it on, but don’t forget the plot. That’s why most of us watch, right? For the plot, for the unique storytelling, for that way that sci-fi looks at life and tackles deep issues. That’s what made SG so great. I know everyone keeps saying it’s not SG-1 or Atlantis, and that’s fine, but it is still Stargate, it even says so in the title. And Stargate comes with a giant ball and chain to it — the fanbase, those loyal folks just like me. And they deserve the same respect, whether they like the show or not.

    Personally, I’m along for the ride, if I choose to dislike something then that is my perrogative — I will never say anything nasty to anyone about it, I’ll probably even go back to keeping it to myself, but everyone is entitled to voice that opinion in an open, honest, yet friendly way.

    Whilst I’m here… the characters in SG-1 or SGA were not flawless, and one of my biggest issues with SGU right now is not the show itself but the strange way everyone insults SG-1/SGA to make SGU seem *better*. It’s not better, it’s different.

    You keep doing what you do, and I’ll go back to doing what I do.

  279. Honestly, this is the first time I’ve ever read your Blog. The negative comments are a shame but they are to be expected. Just continue to look past the negative and focus on the true fans who are grateful you are keeping a beloved franchise alive.

    Personally the only comment I have ever made via twitter that could be considered hurtful is that it felt like a ST Voy knockoff. I guess I’m one of those people that needed this reminder. I meant that in a positive light, although now I see where it could have been taken wrong. (Hey Im a huge Voy fan!). I guess its a two way street. While posters should chose their words better, please try not to read to much into them. What seems to be “bashing” could be someone’s attempt at being constructive. (just poorly executed)

    The show is great! There are many of us looking forward to each and every episode and hope its around for seasons to come!

  280. You might have better luck getting people to refer to “Lt. Boobs” by her name if you actually developed her character at all. As it is, all you’ve had her do is shag Scott, moon over Scott and run around in her knickers.

  281. Here’s the address:

    Joseph Mallozzi
    Stargate Universe
    Bridge Studios
    2400 Boundary Road,
    Burnaby, B.C., V5M 3Z3.

    Hope that helps.

    Anne Teldy

  282. Attacking the actors is inexcusable. and mixing them up with their characters means the poster does not have a single working brain cell. If someone can’t distinguish a person from the role he plays, he should stop watching TV.

    That said, when the attacks are limited exclusively to the *character*, I don’t really see the need to ‘take exception’. If I say that movie Faramir is an imbecile I’m not saying that David Wenham is (on the contrary I think he did a marvellous work considering the stuff he had to work with). If I think a character should be written off, I’m not making judgement on the actor or the writer, but just voicing an opinion. If I’m voicing it with bad language, then my fault is in the language, not the opinion.

    About the sex, me being gay, the slo-mo sex scenes just make me lunge for the fast forward button. Sex is part of a relationship but it’s not all there is to it, and I think it works better when implied rather than shown. Now flirting, that’s much more interesting to watch when properly done.

  283. I have a question Joe and I’m genuinely interested in your answer. I probably shouldn’t post right after your rant, but I’m curious.
    And just for the record I’m not accusing you or the show as sexist.
    I’m not sure about the demo for SGU, but SG1 and SGA seemed to have a largely middle aged female audience, at least judging by the one convention I attended. I assume you’re targeting more the younger male demo with SGU, but I would imagine a large portion of fans of the previous incarnation are sticking with SGU.

    Why is it that the women have to be beautiful, skinny model types while it’s perfectly acceptable to have the nerd being slightly overweight? There’s a homosexual character, characters of different races (and there should be in this day and age) but it’s still considered offensive to have a female character that is not a model with a great figure?
    I know it’s not just SGU, but why is that last taboo still so taboo when most of the western society and arguably a large portion of the viewership is anything but the perfect weight? Do you think you would lose viewers? Or would more viewers actually be able to identify with not so perfect people?

  284. Good for you to stand up and address this issue. I (being over 55 and don’t count towards the statistics) too am offended by (to me anyhow) the idiots who don’t seem to understand that it’s a tv show. It’s not real but but it’s the vision of creative people putting put a product to entertain . I thoroughly enjoy SG1,Atlantis and now Stargate Universe. They are as different as much as they have similarities. ( the scifi part ) now, when do we hear of a pickup for season 2?

  285. Thanks for the rant, JM, it didn’t disappoint and needed to be ranted.

    I have found a couple of the characters to be annoying (mildly so) at times, but that’s just a reaction to the characters, not the actors. I can’t imagine reacting to fictional characters with actual, visceral hatred. It’s just a show, for the love of Mike!

    One of the reasons I watch dramatic TV is because I’m always on the lookout for eye candy that can also act (just because there’s snow on the roof, doesn’t mean there isn’t fire in the furnace 😉 ). Brian J. Smith would be the logical choice in this case, usually, except that he’s only 9 years older than my oldest grandson, and in fact resembles him somewhat. Sort of kills the motivation, you know? So I’m sort of working up to the more suitable Col. Young, who impresses me more with every episode (I’d call the actor by his real name, but I can’t spell it).

    As a mother and grandmother, I can sympathize with Mr. Smith’s mother. The actors eventually learn to deal with the off-center nasties, but their families shouldn’t have to.

  286. @Genevieve
    “At one point you in fact see Carter having sex with someone”

    We did? When was this? She was never allowed to kiss O’Neill as i recall.

    @Rose (formerly OhioAnne)
    “But the show’s detractors are the are the “only” problem?”

    Clearly not, you can see some here with almost religious fervor attack and spit upon anyone who can’t see the light (and I’m not talking about the episode either *g*)

    “I am actually somewhat disgusted that people have been levelling such vicious attacks at the actors and the characters they play”

    Oh you’ve seen them? Could you provide a link? I’d like to see it. I’ve only seen people complain about fictional characters.

    “but if your angry about the way SGU is going … email me ”

    Great service paddy, don’t suppose you could expand it to include other areas as well? 🙂


    Piist, twiceborn, wanna buy a spellchecker? 😉

  287. Oh, and by the way, I really like SGU a lot (said that already, I know, but just to reinforce). The acting is topnotch, as is the writing, the music, the sets, everything. Am I sorry Atlantis is gone? Yes, but that’s the nature of television. Am I sorry SGU has come along in its place? Not by any stretch.

  288. I love/hate my fandom. :-/

  289. Just watched Water and I enjoyed it as much as the others — which is to say quite a lot. I’m starting to feel bad for Scott, though! He goes to a desert planet and nearly dies. He goes to an ice planet and nearly dies. What’s next? Destiny deposits them within range of a nice temperate planet that just happens to be full of tasty, protein-rich creatures that want to eat him as much as he wants to eat them? 🙂

    And I just want to make sure I’ve got characters straight — James is the one getting sexy with Scott in the broom closet, and the one who Riley (love him by the way) and Eli saw with the Kino and the one who told Chloe about Scott being trapped in the ice?

    Because I kind of like her, and I find it really hard to condemn Scott for his relationship with Chloe if she was the Broom Closet Partner and clearly is not all Jealous!Other!Woman! about it. Yeah, she had that snarky comment, but I take it as a declaration that the broom closet scene was not rooted in Twu Wuv Dashed by Irresistible Angst.

  290. Looking for the soapbox again.
    If memory serves, Joe NEVER asked for only positive comments or a mutual admiration society. I believe he is interested in what scenes and perhaps story lines work – in the opinion of the viewers.

    I believe it is acceptable to state – the intimate scene with character name and character name did/did not work; did not like it because…etc. Similar in the manner of discussion with the dark lighting, or what appeared to be too much motion with the handheld camera filiming.

    What is not acceptable, in my humble opinion is:
    The “slur” scene with a slur or character name with slur or worse the actor’s real name with a slur.

    They are actors – they are supposed to act to portray, to present the story to the viewers.

    While I am not thrilled with the strong words about the writers either, these comments could be presented in a diplomatic manner. Joe has asked for opinion. WHY HURT or be hurful to the people involved in the production of a franchise we say we love by being crude and rude?

    I have NOT loved everything presented in the few episodes and that is the KEY. This show just started – one or two episode may or may not grab you. Give it a chance. Should you choose to not watch it…well, there is nothing that can be done. To complain about each episode in a rude manner is not constructive and will not change the show this season. BUT…those who do not will NEVER know if ANY of the “really constructive comments/criticisms” were considered or applied for Season 2.

    To expect that a series filming schedule that was just about completed when the first episode aired – SHOULD change by episode 2 or 3 is rather unreasonable and because of the process, impossible – EVEN if any one of the writers/producers wanted to take another track.

    Just for the record….I love the Stargate concept and I love SGU – I got grabbed by the premiere’s opening music. Which I want to hear more. (I finally spelled premiere correctly)

    climbing off soapbox –
    I guess I owe at least $5.00 or more by now. Or, perhaps some chocolate?

    I finally found some Vosage’s bacon chocolate. While I was not sure if I should try it…Joe has never led us wrong on chocolate. It is delicious. I’m one of the ones that like to put chocolate in the freezer first. Now toi find the bacon choc chip cookies.

  291. I have been enjoying the show. Brian’s character is quickly becoming my favorite. Much like YouTube, an individuals inner jackass gets to come out at maximum amplification thanks to the protection of anonymity of the internet. I am sorry to hear about all the mess the haters on leaving on this blog.

    I wish all the cast and crew good times and success and I hope we all get a second season of SGU.

  292. I am a huge fan of SG1 and SGA, and I also enhoy SGU VERY MUCH. The criticisms are being made irresponsably and childly by only few “fans”, if we can call them that.

    Continue the hard work.

  293. Location Roll Call as of 3PM CT USA on 1 NOV 09

    Joe M. Vancouver, Canada
    Gilder Texas, USA
    PBMom Texas, USA
    Susan the Tartan Turtle Scotland
    SG-1lover Scotland
    Dasndanger New Jersey, USA
    Charlie’s Angel Southern USA
    Pastrygirl Arizona, USA
    Montrealer Montreal, Canada?
    Rose/OhioAnne Ohio, USA?
    Sparrow_Hawk Midwest USA
    deeinsouthafrica South Africa
    Elminster Oshawa, Ontario, Canada
    2cats, New Jersey (shore), USA
    Thornyrose Virginia, USA

    Please cut and paste to a new post, then add your info. Wonder if we can get 100 responses?

  294. @anneteldy
    “Here’s the address:

    Joseph Mallozzi
    Stargate Universe
    Bridge Studios
    2400 Boundary Road,
    Burnaby, B.C., V5M 3Z3.

    Hope that helps.

    Anne Teldy”

    What is that and who is it amied at?

  295. @Marie

    Joe has set up an avatar generator for posters who don’t have their own WordPress profile & avatar. WordPress membership is free; you can post your own avatar after you register. There may be a “no avatar” option, but I’m not sure.

  296. Personally, I don’t get what these trolls are trying to achieve.

    Stargate Universe is hitting the audience with the maturity and severity that movie did! I for one think that is fantastic.

    I am getting used to not seeing Daniel Jackson around (for me his character is the lifeblood of Stargate) but I AM getting used to it!

    Also, what the hell is so shocking about a woman with big boobs!? Vanessa James is a character in the military who happens to cavorted with a colleague who happens to be a ladies man, DO NOT TELL ME you’ve never met people like that in real life, because if you haven’t, you must be the most sheltered person alive.

    Chloe Armstrong has lost her Father, who is also her BOSS. Given that, it means not only has she lost the solid rock in her life but also her purpose for getting up in the morning! Lt. Scott consoled her verbally, and shared his painful experiences with her and once under the threat of death, they physically consoled each other (it is known that sex helps alleviate the fear of death!) and that may develop into a proper relationship, which, since Chloe is a civilian, it would be more permissible than a Scott/James affair!

    These are realistic emotions and realistic events and if people can’t come to terms with that, maybe they should go back to watching the Power Rangers or something.

    To Mr. Mallozzi, the crew, the wonderful cast and EVERYONE else contributing to the show, thanks you for bringing us more Stargate and THANK YOU for bringing a fresh take on things and all the curve-balls you have in store for us!

    – Loddy, 28yrs old, a fan since 1994.

  297. Joe’s Blog Roll Call 3:13 pm CST
    Joe M. Vancouver, Canada
    Gilder Texas, USA
    PBMom Texas, USA
    Susan the Tartan Turtle Scotland
    SG-1lover Scotland
    Dasndanger New Jersey, USA
    Charlie’s Angel Southern USA
    Pastrygirl Arizona, USA
    Montrealer Montreal, Canada?
    Rose/OhioAnne Ohio, USA?
    Sparrow_Hawk Midwest USA
    deeinsouthafrica South Africa
    Elminster Oshawa, Ontario, Canada
    2cats, New Jersey (shore), USA
    Thornyrose Virginia, USA
    Sylvia Chicagoland, USA

  298. @Gilder
    Joe M. Vancouver, Canada

    Joseph Mallozzi
    Stargate Universe
    Bridge Studios
    2400 Boundary Road,
    Burnaby, B.C., V5M 3Z3

    Gilder Texas, USA
    PBMom Texas, USA
    Susan the Tartan Turtle Scotland
    SG-1lover Scotland
    Dasndanger New Jersey, USA
    Charlie’s Angel Southern USA
    Pastrygirl Arizona, USA
    Montrealer Montreal, Canada?
    Rose/OhioAnne Ohio, USA?
    Sparrow_Hawk Midwest USA
    deeinsouthafrica South Africa
    Elminster Oshawa, Ontario, Canada
    2cats, New Jersey (shore), USA
    Thornyrose Virginia in the USA.

    You can take this back anytime Gilder 🙂


  299. Did J. Michael Straczynski ever have to do this?

  300. Just wanted to add that given the homage to Firefly-esque camera work, I thank the crew for using that technique. Since Firefly unjustly got cancelled, seeing this shooting style in SGU, helps Firefly live on a little bit, and that’s cool.

  301. Bravo! Long time reader, first time poster (can’t believe I just typed that.)

    But I have to comment after reading that. I came to SG late in the game, catching all 10 seasons of SG-1 on DVD and then 4 seasons of SGA on DVD and the last season live. And I’m LOVING SG-U. But when I first started with SG, I was thrilled cause here was this new world that I had hundreds of hours waiting for me and that I really dug. So, to share my joy I checked out a bunch of message boards and man oh man, I couldn’t believe so much of what I read. As a huge long time Star Trek fan I guess I should be used to that kind of thing, but it surprised me none-the-less.

    I’m not a blind fan, I can’t say I loved every single episode of all the series, but man, with some of the hate these people spread…why are they even watching?

    I just wanted to comment that in the often crazy world of fandom, reading something that is rooted in common sense is always refreshing!

    As for a random SGU question (and one I believe was asked before, my apologies)…do you assume we’ll get a soundtrack at some point? I’m digging the music big time. The 80’s synth almost Vangelis/Tangerine Dream type score is fantastic. It was especially amazing in LIGHT.

    Keep up the awesome work and here’s hoping for season 2 (thru as many as you guys can do!)

  302. G-D people, get over it, it’s only a TV show, no need for the abuse!! HI Joe, I love SGU and always have loved SG-1 and SGA, so much that in 4 days, I get to go to the LA con. (Also a FARSCAPE fan) Still love the blog, ROCK ON , JOE, Sheryl.

  303. Well said. As a matter of fact, I was surprised it took so long for people to get pissed (talk about control!).

    If people hate series that show the imperfections of man, it says more about themselves than about the people behind the series. They apparently need to be able to think that they would be as perfect as the characters in a show, and if that character isn’t perfect, they aren’t perfect.

    I’m loving this new series just as much as I loved the ‘perfect’ SG-1 and Atlantis. It’s different, yes, but since when is different bad? I know I’ll be following Universe until Season x.

  304. Thank you, AnneTeldy, I have been remiss with my pen and paper correspondence, I am going to do better. Just like with exercise.

    And crap, I just found out my SIL in NM is losing her house. We have feared this day since my oldest brother died eight years ago. He was irresponsible financially, and left quite a burden to her. Crap. There’s not much to do but commiserate. Dad sent her money each month, but it was never enough to dig out of the hole my brother left to her. My other widowed SIL will lose her house just as surely, not from hardship, but from frivolity. Did I say crap?

  305. Dear Joe:

    Let me preface my comments by saying that I have been an avid Stargate fan from day one…..

    In any case, I too have noticed the tone of the fans on various sites and forums and agree with you that how you word the criticism is critical, just like in any situation in life. Having said that however, I think that you guys need to step back and look at the tone of this public sentiment in it’s entirety.

    Each and every one of those people out there who are complaining are all voicing disappointment in Stargate Universe…..that’s what you should be paying attention to….not just the rudeness of the words used.

    People just are not liking the show and they feel betrayed, plain and simple.

    I know that even though people are still watching, as the viewership numbers show, they are not really enjoying it….personally, I have watched each episode twice and have cringed and whinged through all of them and keep hoping that it will improve in some way, but every show seems to be about yet another disaster and more conflict between the characters…..I too am disappointed by SG:U, and to be honest, only care about one character – Eli Wallace…..he is the only truly likable character and I have seen countless polls all over the web that back this up. (Way To Go, David Blue!).

    In my opinion, if the writers and producers of the show do not take into account that a wide segment of the fan base is unhappy, then the show cannot succeed in the long term. If the show is to be so radically changed that it no longer resembles the Stargate that the fans have adored for all of these years, then maybe the name should be changed and a new franchise should be created.

    I never thought that the day would come when I would write something like this about a franchise that I have followed for so very long….and I am truly sorry.

    On another and much happier note….Amana Tapping and Sanctuary have totally exceeded my expectations – the show is great!

    Be well,

  306. Ah, man, can’t even go through all the comments. So many of ’em. 😀

    Noticed that the wormhole effect came back in “Water”. Almost cool… funny to say, but I didn’t miss it. Doesn’t add nor takes away anything from gate travel. So does it help to save money and/or make scenes run smoother?

  307. […] weeks now since the latest evolution of the Stargate series began and after David Blue pointed out Joseph Mallozi’s latest blog post, although a good read, I was a little saddened by it and felt the need to start my […]

  308. @Debra re spoiler space:

    You make good and valid points. However, SGU episodes air four days later in the UK than in the USA /Canada. Australians get SGU six or seven days later. Fans in some countries may not be able to see the series until it’s available on DVD.

    In past years, the fans outside the USA had to wait weeks or months for SG1 /SGA eps, and only pirated, poor-quality versions were available online, so the custom of spoiler space evolved. It’s a small courtesy we can provide without much effort.

    Debra said:
    Just ASSUME that there are spoilers in the comments and read them the next day.

  309. I love it too, don’t change a thing except we want more Lou Diamond Phillips…..please.
    I really enjoy it very much, thank you!

  310. on November 1, 2009 at 1:51 pm | Reply Siri Atiragram Lleof


    You better watch out, you’re about to be called a troll for not liking SGU. They may even call you a bitter SGA fan.

    That’s what they called me and I never even liked Atlantis. =P

  311. I’m sorry that fans have be disrespectful and mean spited. I an simply voting my dislike of SG:U by not watching any more. I loved SG:A and SG:SG-1 (own all the seroes on DVD) and I did give SG:U a chance but I’m afraid I find it a tad bit boring and other than Rush I’ve yet to connect with any characters. I just find I don’t care about their plight – sorry but they a quite the unlikable bunch

    I wish you luck with the series. I know there was some talk about this series being more female friendly, but as a woman I really don’t like SG:U at all. I think you guys missed the boat on tapping into the female scifi psyche because none of my girlfriends like it much either.

    At least I have the SGA and SG-1 TV movies to look forward to.

  312. “SGU is NOT SG-1 or Atlantis. It’s a different show in terms of tone and characters. If you’re expecting flawless people, square-jawed heroes, and stories that set up and deliver all the answers over the course of a forty-five minute episode, you WILL be disappointed. And DON’T expect that to change. If you don’t like the character interactions, romance, and open-ended story elements introduced to date, you’re in for a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong haul because that’s our show.”

    I haven’t watched SGU so I can’t comment.
    I do have someone to ask though.
    You worked on these shows (SG1, SGA) for ages. Do you really think these are the characters you created in 10 years of SG1 and 5 years of SGA? flawless, square-jawed heroes? Little to no character interactions, romance etc? Were so many of your story elements solved in 45 minutes?

    Cos I remember – especially in SG1, but also quite some of SGA’s characters – loads of realistic characters with a lot of nuances, characters that weren’t such straight forward heroes – even if at the end of the day they were heroic. I remember little hints in one season blowing up to full arches several seasons afterwards, or being built slowly and surely during the years.

    You see, I don’t think you believe that. Definitely not if I look at the posts you made during the years defending Atlantis or SG1 from exactly that kind of accusations. Is it really necessary to dismiss SG1/SGA and their fans in order to make your point about SGU?

  313. Shirt’n’Tie is from Ireland. He said so somewhere waaaay up above (thank God for Ctrl/f) 🙂

    Oh Joe I’d hate to be you, wading though this lot.

    Anne, you give Joe’s address out today of all days?

    Oy vey. Have you seen some of the comments? Yes, I completely believe in freedom of speech, but quite frankly, I thing some of the commenters are dangerously nuts.

    Geez, I hope they have bomb-sniffing dogs up there! 😯

  314. Me said:
    Why is it that the women have to be beautiful, skinny model types while it’s perfectly acceptable to have the nerd being slightly overweight?

    Amen, sister or brother!

    @Elminster–the location poll is a bouncing beach ball; anyone can play! 🙂

    @shadowstep–Carter had a fiancé, played by Peter DeLuise’s brother, in S7 or S8.

    OK, gotta go sort some papers…helping Husband with his parents’ estate.

  315. Kudos for this blog, Joe. I wish you had written it two weeks ago. But that wouldn’t have stopped the crazies anyways, I suppose…. some people have no shame.

    My only complaint about SGU is that the shooting style gives me a headache. I like the camera not to move so I can focus on the actors’ faces. But I understand that y’all went for that style because it helped you tell a story in a certain way. (For me, the dialogue and actions are enough to understand the hectic situation they are all stuck in, but I realize some viewers might not get that.)

    When I get back to my apartment, I’m going to go back through and read all 300+ comments that have been posted thus far. I think this might be the third most commented post ever after the day we found out about Atlantis being canceled and the blog party. I’ll hold off deciding if I think that’s a good thing until I’ve read them all….

  316. Wow – lots of comments…I did not read them all but did happen to see DAS, RILEY and JES answers to my posts…Thanks….I also own NOrthen Exposure’s first season and never heard about the music. Unfortunetely w/China Beach, they really can’t use replacement music, because it was all the popular music of the 60’s – the protest music and such. I own the soundtrack and love it..

    I rarely read the comments section, just don’t always have the time….I never go to Gateworld, cuz confusing and seems so negative…When I do read the comments, I really enjoy the regulars and love reading their takes on things…

    The hatemongers out there, I just want to say they need to get a life. Most of them keep saying they are not going to watch, etc, etc….but they still come on and read the blog and bitch and moan…Just don’t watch and don’t visit Joe’s blog and all will be right in your world. Please there are so many other more important issues going on in the world…

    I really like the cast. I’ve been a fan of Ming-Na forever (wish she was on more) and have always enjoyed Louis Ferrera and Robert Carlyle. The rest are all new to me…

  317. Rented Twilight last night just to see what the fuss was about and wow did I waste my time! It did take two scenes tho’ to figure out where I knew Michael Welch from…it’s always fun to play …spot the Stargate actor, especially when you know something was made in/near Vancouver..

  318. SupremeLegate wrote:


    “Here’s the address:

    Joseph Mallozzi
    Stargate Universe
    Bridge Studios
    2400 Boundary Road,
    Burnaby, B.C., V5M 3Z3.

    Hope that helps.

    Anne Teldy”

    What is that and who is it amied at?

    That is the studio address to which cards and letters may be sent to the writers, producers, actors, etc. Just change Mr. M’s name out for the intended recipient.

    I posted it in response to maggiemayday’s comment:

    I think I will begin sending handwritten notes of appreciation and thanks. Now I simply have to get off my lazy virtual arse and find the studio address… I’ve seen ot posted before but neglected to jot it down.</blockquote

    Recently a few other people had been asking for it as well. Mr. M posts it once in a while and I thought I'd save him the time.

    Anne Teldy
    Evansville, IN USA

  319. I felt continuous ‘dega vu’ watching ‘Water’. Perhaps it was due to the too familiar ‘we are running out of X, let’s go to that planet to look for it, but it will only be found far away from the gate’ plot formula. It might also have been because the solution to the ‘alien is sucking up all the water’ problem was very similar to the ‘alien is sucking up all the energy’ problem in the second episode of SGA.

    I also have a hard time believing that a swarm of aliens that could be contained in a small barrel could have consumed so much of their water supplies. (Is there a huge puddle of alien urine somewhere on Destiny?) Since people are also mostly made up of water, why didn’t any of the crew get dessicated?

    Best line of the show (and possibly the series) “Couldn’t find a broom closet?” Amen,sista.

  320. Unfortunately, the internet is full of rude cowards who leave comments on blogs and Twitter they would never have the guts to say to a person’s face. After an unfortunate incident on another blog’s comments, I avoid reading the comment’s on blogs. I’m here to read Joseph Mallozzi’s blog, not the reader’s comments. I do enjoy reading your mail bag posts though but that is different. I understand why the actor’s and their families would read the comments to gauge fan reaction, but reading comments is like reading celebrity focused rags, take it with a gigantic grain of salt, or the whole salt shaker and focus on the comments of those who are positive and supportive.

  321. “A book has 100 pages not to lose me. Notice I didn’t say “grab me”. I’m already on board. ”

    Hey Joe,

    I’m sorry that there have been some uncalled for and inappropriate comments, especially personal attacks at the cast and crew. Onlline fandom can be a nasty place, as a certain Mr Sorkin will probably tell you!

    However, after sticking through the first 6 eps of SGU, I’m struggling with it and it’s losing me. I’m finding that I really care very little about the characters and that there are too many people on board Destiny that we know nothing about. I’m not even sure of the names of some of the main characters, let alone all the people wandering around and muttering in the background.

    I’m also finding the whole “the ship knows what it’s doing, but there’s no way we can control it” storyline somewhat trying. Clearly Rush knows more than he’s letting on, but if the ship is so clever, wouldn’t there at least be an override on the 12 hour time limit for planetary stops. If Destiny was originally designed to have a crew aboard, there must have been some way for them to turn off the autopilot and fly the thing manually. And if Eli’s so clever, could he please stop behaving like a high school senior and work out how it’s done.

    I’m trying to like it. I really am. But I’m really not feeling the vibe that you clearly have in mind.

    Any chance you could tell the wonderful Mr Carlyle that I still haven’t got over him wearing a United shirt rather than a Wednesday shirt in “The Full Monty”, but it was definitely the best film ever made about my home town?

  322. Hey Joe

    313 responces so far… are we approaching any records?


  323. The internet has taken down the many walls that used to exist between the creators and the fans. I find it to be a real shame sometimes. It’s created a group of fans who feel like the creators should adhear to their every whim. Entitled jackasses.

    I’m here to listen and watch other people tell me stories. If I don’t like the story I’ll stop watching. I’m a huge fan of SG1 (never saw more than a handful of episodes of SGA) and I’m now a huge fan of SGU. You guys are doing a great job. I remember seeing the first cast photo and freaking the hell out. I love Eli, Rush, Young, Greer, James, Scott, Chloe, Riley and TJ. I love all the possibilities and the potential.

    The only problem I had with the Scott/Chloe scene was that I felt like it came out of nowhere. But according to my sister, that just means I’m epically dense. So, that’s not on you guys 🙂 I also have this problem with the Spock/Uhura stuff. I’d never seen a Star Trek movie in my life before the latest so I didn’t have any fan baggage, but I was all ‘they had one scene together and now they’re making out! This isn’t making any sense!’ Cue lots of people telling me it was really obvious *sigh*

    I will say that I’m glad they’re (Scott and Chloe) continuing their relationship and the sex wasn’t just a ‘oh, we’re about to die’ thing. And James is a class act. Love her. I worried about a mutiny, and anxiously hoping for one. I’m looking forward to the rest of the season and every season after that. I also love the one word episode titles. And many, many, many other things.

    I also love this blog.

  324. Okay, third thing, don’t change Rush, he’s written incredibly well and Carlyle is doing a fantastic job of not only playing Rush but convincingly deliver jargon and the Sci-Fi nature of the role/show.

    In terms of showbiz, its great seeing an actor like Robert Carlyle (who I haven’t seen much of since full-monty) in something like this because I believe it will win him a whole new range of fans and exposure which I hope helps him build his career further.

    I remember the same kind of thing happen with John Travolta after Broken Arrow, definitely for UK fans anyway.

  325. Well – one more comment! Are we going for a record here? If we are, then well done to you for setting aside a day to approve all the comment.

    I am baffled by a couple of things.

    First – why is it that some people are insisting that your comments mean that they are no longer allowed to voice their criticism? I thought it was completely clear that criticism, voiced respectfully, was entirely welcome. It has, indeed, provoked some interesting replies and clarifications.

    Second – why is that people are still insisting that the characters should behave in a way they find morally acceptable? Or that if they regard the characters as behaving immorally, the show is responsible for pointing out that their actions are morally reprehensible? It seems to me that this is a show which will show people acting in all kinds of ways in response to the extreme conditions in which they find themselves. We are shown actions and then the response of various people to those actions. An (apparently) ex-lover catches her former lover with a new woman. She behaves, so far, admirably. The moral dilemma is put in front of us but not resolved for us. We can stand where we want – and boy, do I like that about this show!

    Finally each character is has some characteristics we can like and some we can dislike. Shades of glorious grey. What a great leap forward that is (and I say that as a true SGA fan). I personally felt that among the best moments of SGA were scenes in which the grey nature of Sheppard’s (and others’)decisions were made most clear.

    OH – and a final FINAL thought – isn’t Young sort of playing an older, more measured Sheppard? He’s as willing to die! I am enjoying these characters more and more – and loving the way so many of the women are competent scientists and good leaders.

  326. Hi Joe,

    I just finished watching an interview with Louis Ferriera. Is he really that crazy in real life? Cause crazy can be good! He must be one heck of a fantastic actor, cause Young sure seems like he’s 180 polar opposite to Mr. Ferriera.

    SPOILER SPACE for WaterL

    When Scott is trying to convince Young to leave him behind, he (scott) seems to suggest that Young is suicidal and has tried to kill himself 3 times in the last 3 weeks. I count Young being willing to “close the hatch” in Air and removing himself from the Lottery in Fire, but that’s only two attempts to fulfill a death wish. Was there a third attempt that we did not see during the 3 “off screen” weeks between Light and Water, or did I miss something in an earlier episode? Is the situation with his wife driving this self destructive behavior, or is there more going on with him?

  327. Elminster –

    Ha! Snap. Great minds think alike – or is that fools never differing?

    It always takes me ages to learn new names, but I’m putting some effort into this show. Took me about 5 seconds flat to learn Rush! Ah, Nicholas. Interesting name choice, that.

  328. I just went back and looked. SGA being cancelled got 410 comments on the day of cancellation and 449 the next day when Joe blogged about it.

    (And my location is Edmonton, Alberta, Canada for those keeping track)

  329. Also, in regard to fan feeling betrayed…

    Imagine being in a band, and being asked to play the same bloody song over and over again.

    Let the crew make SGU and let US watch where it takes us. The reactions and comparisons made about SGU wee being made before the show even aired, which to me says prejudice, jumping to conclusion and narrow-mindedness, so anyone making comments like that at that stage was onto a loser from the onset.

  330. on November 1, 2009 at 2:49 pm | Reply EternalDensity


    Oh wow. How surprising, it’s Joe’s “everybody that doesn’t like my show is an idiot” rant.”
    Actually it’s a “everybody that expresses their dislike idiotically is an idiot”. But I suppose you didn’t bother to read that far. You’ve missed the (quite valid) point entirely.

    “Ed Jackson

    You might have better luck getting people to refer to “Lt. Boobs” by her name if you actually developed her character at all. As it is, all you’ve had her do is shag Scott, moon over Scott and run around in her knickers.”
    That is patently false, and if that’s all you’ve seen of the character it says a lot more about you than about the character. She’s had plenty to do besides your rather exaggerated list.

  331. 311 comments…?

    yeah, no one is gonna read this. 😛

    @ Sparrowhawk – There’s always the Moorcock Inn! 😀

    @ JES – Thanks for the info! Very interesting.

    @ riley – Ah, thanks! I knew there was a problem a while back, but never looked into it further. Is the soundtrack on the DVDs complete? When I collect a few more bucks together, I really should buy up Northern Exposure.

    As it is, I had a 40% off coupon for Borders, so yesterday I bought the complete collection of Cadfael – the medieval monk detective!! Loved that series, too, and would never have paid full price for the thing.

    @ Tammy Dixon – I’m sorry, but that idea smiley icon looks like the gynecological view of a lady. 😛

    @ Annie from Fremantle – I liked Hill Street Blues.

    @ Airelle – Awww…thanks. No worries, Joe can’t get rid of me that easily! Even if I lose interest in SGU and stop watching, I’m pretty sure I’ll still come around here, just to pester Joey Dimples. 😈

    @ jeffoconnor – There are two huge misconceptions in modern society: That sex is everything, and that children are demigods.

    Ian wrote: “Sex is part of a relationship but it’s not all there is to it, and I think it works better when implied rather than shown. Now flirting, that’s much more interesting to watch when properly done.”

    Agreed. Insinuation is always more interesting – it allows the mind to fill in the blanks. And flirting is always fun! I mean, NOTHING else in the Stargate franchise compares to Todd and Sheppard’s flirtations. 😀 But then again, I might be just a wee bit biased about that…

    @ Joe – I really hope you set this day aside for reading…

    Whew. I do not envy you your task. Hope I didn’t piss you off earlier, just worried about the show’s direction, ‘sall. NOT nearly as much as I worried about Todd, et al…nothing like that. I mean, there’s a huge difference between a show that merely glorifies sex, and one that glorifies animal cruelty. 😉


  332. Crap. 322 comments. Now I gotta go back and read those I’ve missed…

    Whew, again.


  333. It is sad you have to do this, Joe, it is a shame to see the once bright/happy fandom crushed in two sides. One side likes SGU, the other side hates it. What I don’t understand is how long this can go on, and why these ‘haters’ insist on watching a show they’ve so clearly told us they hate, each week to find new things to bash about it. Anyways, I am LOVING the show so far and have done since it started.

    1) I am writing/planning on writting a finfic either continuing SGA or my on series SG: DUNE. What advice *if any) can you give? And how many pages do your scripts usually come to?

    2) When will we be seeing these none-english-speaking-none-humaniod aliens?

    3) How awsome is Bobby Carlyle?

    4) Is the DVD set confirmed as a two part box set? Or the normal full season sets?

  334. das: thanks for the chuckles. It’s supposed to be a “light bulb”!

    Sleep well, Mr. M.


  335. PS…and RE: Boobs.

    My husband always notices boobs. I think he was breastfed too long, or something. When we’re watching tv, he often offers a commentary that goes something like this… ‘Did you see the size of her rack?!’, or ‘Wow…nice jubblies!’, or ‘I don’t remember boobs being this big when I was a kid!’…etc. etc. etc. It’s like his mind is talking outloud, and he forgets I’m sitting right there with him, giving him the evil eye. In fact, not long after we were married, he told my then 90-something year old grandmother that she had ‘nice boobs for an old lady.’ He just can’t NOT notice boobs outloud.

    That said, I don’t think he’s uttered (uddered? 😉 ) one word about the Boobs of SGU. In fact, I think the only comment he’s made about an actor’s appearance is how ripped Greer is.

    Geez. I hope he isn’t switching teams on me… 😛


  336. I’ve only just found Brian’s twitter.

    Very disappointed that the actions of a vocal minority has forced people to make these hard decisions.

    Personally I’ve enjoyed SGU so far and am looking forward to seeing how the rest of this season plays out and (hopefully) how things develop in future seasons.


  337. I rarely read your blog since I want to avoid spoilers (which you are notorious for spreading ;)).
    But after this specific post being referred to by several interesting people, I decided to have a look.

    I have to say that I agree with you completely – there is NEVER a reason to verbally (or otherwise) attack the actors playing in the show;
    Also, while there are always favorite and least favorite characters, remarks about them should be tasteful and civilized.
    The moderators around Gateworld seem to be doing a great job ‘cleaning up’ their boards – I wish you did the same for the responses posted around here (though might be too much of a headache).

    Anyway, keep up the good work – I love SGU so far, it’s hands down the best sci-fi show on TV at the moment.

  338. @heatherhughson

    “But if you are telling someone back it up with a HELPFUL and INTELLIGENT suggestion.”

    “Why don’t you just do back to watching Survivor cycle 54 or America’s next top model cycle 153( it certainly feels like it) and spare me from having to hang on to my IQ points for dear life everytime I read you’re mind numbing comments.”

    Thank you for your helpful and intelligent suggestion.


    “It’s wasn’t all that long ago that fans would have loved a intimate scene between Jack and Sam.”

    Still do. If for no other reason than it would scare the teenagers *g*

    @Robert McLaws
    “To my defense”

    I don’t think you need any – you were just commenting on the character, describing a point of view I’ve seen in several other places.

    “I know you’re going for gritty”

    And getting gritty comments 😉

  339. FFS!!! If I read ONE more comment about the fans feeling “betrayed” I’m gonna puke. Its ENTERTAINMENT people. If you don’t like it find something else to bitch about. Hey, ya know I hated BSG so didn’t watch it or bitch about it I just found something I wanted to watch instead.

    Get a grip !

    I’m going to resist the urge to read the rest of the posts…..geez this is harder than I thought.

  340. Crew: Agreed. Thanks for the vid.

    Idiots: the show is not what i expected, and even not what i expected after seeing ep 2 or 3. But like me you’ve stuck so far. Be nice mmmk or get unstuck and be gone. Just enjoy the ride.

  341. @ jeffoconnor – Hubby just called from work. He is literally begging me to watch Twilight again with him. 😛

    @ Tammy Dixon – I dunno. Still looks like naughty bits to me. 😳


  342. Location Roll Call as of 10:50AM (AUS EDT) on 2 NOV 09

    Joe M. Vancouver, Canada
    Gilder Texas, USA
    PBMom Texas, USA
    Susan the Tartan Turtle Scotland
    SG-1lover Scotland
    Dasndanger New Jersey, USA
    Charlie’s Angel Southern USA
    Pastrygirl Arizona, USA
    Montrealer Montreal, Canada?
    Rose/OhioAnne Ohio, USA?
    Sparrow_Hawk Midwest USA
    deeinsouthafrica South Africa
    Elminster Oshawa, Ontario, Canada
    2cats, New Jersey (shore), USA
    Thornyrose Virginia, USA
    chevron7 (chev) Melbourne, Australia


  343. Maybe to make the blog more palatable for everyone you should just turn off the comments section for a month or so. Many blogs do that and seem to survive just fine.

  344. Egads! 343 comments now? @ 7:00 pm EST, Nov 1Did a slew of folks roll out from under the woodwork or what? My goodness, aren’t we all suddenly very communicative.

    FYI… Gateworld and Lou Diamond Phllips have both posted the URL of this page to Twitter, listing it as a #SGU MUST READ.

    Joe, you are indeed a brave man to continue reading all of these. Chin up, hang in there.

    Hey Carl, are you reading all of this too?

    (shakes head, shrugs shoulders and shuffles off to charge up PDA)


  345. Joe M. Vancouver, Canada
    Gilder Texas, USA
    PBMom Texas, USA
    Susan the Tartan Turtle Scotland
    SG-1lover Scotland
    Dasndanger New Jersey, USA
    Charlie’s Angel Southern USA
    Pastrygirl Arizona, USA
    Montrealer Montreal, Canada?
    Rose/OhioAnne Ohio, USA?
    Sparrow_Hawk Midwest USA
    deeinsouthafrica South Africa
    Elminster Oshawa, Ontario, Canada
    2cats, New Jersey (shore), USA
    Thornyrose Virginia, USA
    chevron7 (chev) Melbourne, Australia
    Maddog316: Ft. Myers, FL, USA

  346. Someone said: “What disturbs me most is that a lot of the personal attacks are coming from 40-somethings, aimed at 20-somethings. That’s just obnoxious.”

    I find this statement puzzling. How do you know that these attacks are mostly coming from 40-somethings? I don’t see how one can determine the age group of any poster.

    Speaking as a 40-something, I will say that I’m really enjoying SGU. As a huge SG1 fan, I wanted to give SGU a chance, and I did so by subscribing to Space, solely for the purpose of watching SGU and Sanctuary (the only two shows that I actually make a point of watching). Joe, since you gave early warning that SGU was going to be very different from SG1 and SGA, I went in with an open mind and without trying to make criticisms that it’s not *exactly* like SG1 and SGA.

    In fact, I love the darker, edgier format. I am not at all offended by the sex scenes, nor the relationship between Chloe and Scott. Also, Joe, I agree with you that extreme violence is more offensive than a sex scene between two consenting adults. In any case, the show is on at 10 pm (on Space), and it’s in that late hour for a reason; it’s not really meant for young kids.

    I also like that we don’t know the full story about each character so early in the season; I am confident that their backgrounds will be fleshed out as the season, and the series, progresses. After all, we didn’t fully know Jack, Sam, Teal’c, or Daniel in the first half dozen shows, so why would I expect to here?

    I also like that the characters aren’t completely black and white, and that there’s a lot of grey. After all, most people in RL are multi-faceted, and people show different aspects of their personalities to different people and in different situations. I can think of a lot of people who who have one personality at work, and another at home.

    I am truly sorry to hear that the production staff, the actors, and their families are bearing the brunt of a lot of vitriole. I think you’re all doing a fine job. It’s too bad that a minority of people just don’t understand how to give *polite*, constructive criticism.

  347. Over 300 posts?!

    Joe’s gonna have to hire someone to moderate all of these comments.

  348. Hey Das I’m still reading. 344 comments so far. Hey Chev, don’t forget me, shiningwit in cornwall uk:)

  349. Just some encouragement – I LOVE SGU the way it is, charcter relationships, physical interaction and all. I loved the old SG1 & SGA, but this is a great new direction to take the show. Thanks for modernizing it and making it more “real.” Keep up the great work!

  350. Deni

    “I wonder what you have to gain from spreading bad publicity about the show. Will you be taking out a full-page ad in the New York Times? Does anyone actually listen to you? I find your comment mean-spirited and immature, and can’t imagine why you would even bother to write it. Can somebody really be this angry with a tv show?”

    Okay, I realize I did a quick rant of my own because I figured one good rant deserved another. I should have explained some of my thoughts more.

    I want the show to fail. Maybe if it fails they will stop writing it the way it is. I realize that’s not likely, but one can hope. Also, I’m hoping if fans talk trash about it the writers may reconsider its direction. Again, I realize this isn’t likely, but I can hope.


    “Actually it’s a “everybody that expresses their dislike idiotically is an idiot”. But I suppose you didn’t bother to read that far. You’ve missed the (quite valid) point entirely.”

    There’s a lot of what Joe said that might have been right. I don’t have all of the info because I’m never on twitter and there prolly are some pretty mean things people have been saying. All I know is that people have been politely debating with Joe about decisions on the show and he doesn’t even answer them and can be just as rude as many of his commenters. I don’t think he likes hearing that many fans think SGU is stupid and I think that’s what inspired this rant of his. As far as blaming the actors and attacking people, yes, that’s wrong. The part where we disagree is that I don’t think saying “Your show is dumb.” is attacking someone.

  351. on November 1, 2009 at 4:56 pm | Reply susan the tartan turtle

    I am off to bed – nearly one in the morning.

    Joe M. Vancouver, Canada
    Gilder Texas, USA
    PBMom Texas, USA
    Susan the Tartan Turtle, Perthshire, Scotland
    SG-1lover Scotland
    Dasndanger New Jersey, USA
    Charlie’s Angel Southern USA
    Pastrygirl Arizona, USA
    Montrealer Montreal, Canada?
    Rose/OhioAnne Ohio, USA?
    Sparrow_Hawk Midwest USA
    deeinsouthafrica South Africa
    Elminster Oshawa, Ontario, Canada
    2cats, New Jersey (shore), USA
    Thornyrose Virginia, USA
    chevron7 (chev) Melbourne, Australia
    Maddog316: Ft. Myers, FL, USA
    Shiningwit – Cornwall, England


  352. I’m so sad that people have stopped reading the blogs because of the comments. I’ve almost posted a few times in support of SGU, but stopped myself because I didn’t want to sound “fan giddy” or whatever. I guess I kinda wish I had 😦

    While I missed the premiere, I’ve watched every episode since then and read up on the premiere so I knew what was going on. I went into SGU knowing it would be different and to be honest, I like it because of its differences. One of the frustrating things about SG-1 (which I still love and rewatch all the time!) was that everything wrapped up so neatly without a lot of what I would consider realistic residual effects (but that’s not uncommon for the type of show that it is… this is what fanfic exists to do! 🙂 )

    “Light” is the episode that hooked me – I love the character interaction. And in support of Scott, he seems like he’s a young man with the potential for great leadership but he’s got a few miles to go. The intimacy scene between him and Chloe didn’t bother me (extreme situations cause extreme behaviors and hello, he did get it on in a closet). The closet scene, which I have not yet seen, makes me a bit nervous to see. I’m torn between people acting like people (I have military friends his age, I know how they behave…) and remembering Brad Wright talking about the nude scene in SG-1’s pilot. They are definitely two different things, but I can see how having heard these things over and over about “family friendly” it comes as a surprise.

    That said, he’s a real person and real people are flawed. I really look forward to seeing his relationship with Col. Young develop (and I hope Young is around to the end and into S. 2!).

    So I hope this didn’t sound fan-girly. I love the Stargate world. My husband drew me into it with SG-1 and I’ve hung around ever since. I see you all not only as writers and producers but as artists who are telling a story and inviting us to sit in on it. The music is beautiful, the characters are very well cast, and I’m intrigued. Best of all I love seeing our old favorites on there playing roles that used to be General Hammond/Landry/ etc. The main cast has now become supporting guest stars… and they pass the baton. Very neat.

    Okay, I’m going to stop gushing now. 😛

  353. @Twiceborn: No idea how old you are or who you are, but I’ll tell you what I’d tell my own children: Don’t wish anything on anybody you wouldn’t wish for yourself or the ones that you love. Things like this have a way or coming back and biting you in the arse. You don’t like the show? Great, we get it. Bow out gracefully and leave it at that, you’ll feel better and nobody will think badly of you.

    Goodnight, everybody!

  354. I find this whole situation sad. It’s sad that the actors, writers, and crew are upset. It’s also sad that much of the criticisms that fans have with the show are pretty much being dismissed outright b/c a handful of the fans are going overboard.

    I also think it’s nice that you and the other writer/ producers are defending the actors and telling fans to back off. Actor bashing is something that has been going on for years in the SG fandom. It’s unfortunate that the producers never really took the same effort to defend the members of the SG-1 and SGA cast when they were personally insulted time and time again online – even when it was on your own blog.

    I have pretty much given up on the show. It is not a show I love to hate and I will not watch just to complain about it. Rather, it is a show that has disappointed me, even though I came to it hoping for something new and fresh. I am also disappointed b/c the producers have made a point of demeaning the previous two shows and the characters that I loved in their efforts to praise SGU.

    I do want to thank the actors, crew, producers, and writers for all of their hard work over the past thirteen years. Please know that even if some do not like the decisions you have made or the new show, you have still given many people like me years of pure enjoyment. And I will always be grateful for that.

  355. @Twiceborn: Meant to say “of coming back”, not “or coming back”. Sorry, I’m pooped out. Have a good night.

  356. Joe M. Vancouver, Canada
    Gilder Texas, USA
    PBMom Texas, USA
    Susan the Tartan Turtle, Perthshire, Scotland
    SG-1lover Scotland
    Dasndanger New Jersey, USA
    Charlie’s Angel Southern USA
    Pastrygirl Arizona, USA
    Montrealer Montreal, Canada?
    Rose/OhioAnne Ohio, USA?
    Sparrow_Hawk Midwest USA
    deeinsouthafrica South Africa
    Elminster Oshawa, Ontario, Canada
    2cats, New Jersey (shore), USA
    Thornyrose Virginia, USA
    chevron7 (chev) Melbourne, Australia
    Maddog316: Ft. Myers, FL, USA
    Shiningwit – Cornwall, England
    DP – Ohio, USA

  357. Universe is the network’s second-highest rated show behind Ghost Hunters (about 3 million viewers before DVR).

    Stargate Universe is holding its own against baseball playoffs and big-network shows, helping to give Syfy Channel its best October ever, the network announced. Despite ratings slipping a bit from the 1.8 season high rating (for “Air, Part 3″), the show continues to draw more than 2 million viewers on Friday night and is seeing a significant lift in the first “Live + 7 Days” DVR-delayed ratings.

    The first season of SGU is averaging a 2.1 average household rating and 2.85 million total viewers, the network said in an October 27 press release. This includes full “Live + 7 Days” viewing data, though Syfy would probably have only had access to that data for about the first two weeks of the show (three of the six hours broadcast so far).

    Nielsen Media Research releases full DVR ratings numbers to the networks approximately three weeks after broadcast.

    In the key demographics, Syfy said that Universe is averaging 1.5 million adults ages 18 to 49, and 1.7 million ages 25 to 54.

    The time-shifted viewing data for Stargate Universe is clearly significant, with 2.99 million viewers and a 2.1 rating for “Air, Part 3″ — up from the 1.8 rating (2.4 million) on Friday night. That’s the most-watched episode of a Stargate show since March 2005 (“The Siege, Part 1″), Syfy said.

    Compared to the last season of Stargate Atlantis, SGU is up 59 percent among adults 18 to 34, 41 percent among adults 18 to 49, 33 percent among adults 25 54, and up 36 percent in total viewers, the network said.

    Along with the 2.1 average rating for Ghost Hunters, the 1.7 average for Destination Truth, and the 1.8 rating earned by the season premiere of Sanctuary, Syfy is looking at its most watched October ever.

    While we don’t have official ratings numbers for the last three episodes, on Twitter actor Brian J. Smith mentioned a 1.6 rating for “Darkness” — which aired against an MLB playoff game on October 16. TV by the Numbers reports viewership of 2.099 million viewers (”Live + Same Day”) for that one, and 2.015 million for October 23 (“Light”).

  358. Okay,

    I decided I too had to rant about this rant. I agree with a lot of what Joe has said. I definitely agree that there is no need to leave rude comments or blame the actors and call them names. Some people have a hard time differentiating between the character and the actual actor. Having said that, I still do not like the direction this show is headed.

    I feel that SGU is alienating a lot of Stargate fans, I do not think this would be in the best interest of the franchise. This show needs to seriously work on its script. For the past 5 or 6 episodes all they have done is go a different planet, get something needed for survival, rinse, wash, repeat. That is not a script! Most of it is just filler content, don’t get me wrong, I do not dislike the show, it could just be so much better!

    I also feel the show is moving too slowly, I want good Sci-Fi on TV and so far this show is just not cutting it!

    I have watched all episodes of SG-1 and Atlantis, I used to look forward to being home and watching, but I cannot say the same for SGU. I could go on, but am ending my rant since I don’t feel its going to make any difference.

    Good luck with the show and I hope it gets better!

  359. We seem to have missed Laura……..

    Joe M. Vancouver, Canada
    Gilder Texas, USA
    PBMom Texas, USA
    Susan the Tartan Turtle, Perthshire, Scotland
    SG-1lover Scotland
    Dasndanger New Jersey, USA
    Charlie’s Angel Southern USA
    Pastrygirl Arizona, USA
    Montrealer Montreal, Canada?
    Rose/OhioAnne Ohio, USA?
    Sparrow_Hawk Midwest USA
    deeinsouthafrica South Africa
    Elminster Oshawa, Ontario, Canada
    2cats, New Jersey (shore), USA
    Thornyrose Virginia, USA
    chevron7 (chev) Melbourne, Australia
    Maddog316: Ft. Myers, FL, USA
    Shiningwit – Cornwall, England
    Laura Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

  360. Maybe one should mention that the whole season is in the can. I doubt very much that ANY sort of praise or griping will make SyFy spring the money to change/reshoot scenes because CyberKitty452342_24 doesn’t like/loves that sort of thing.

    That and some people truly are being dicks about it. Especially over on Gateworld the bile is just riduculous.

  361. And Sylvia…

    Joe M. Vancouver, Canada
    Gilder Texas, USA
    PBMom Texas, USA
    Susan the Tartan Turtle, Perthshire, Scotland
    SG-1lover Scotland
    Dasndanger New Jersey, USA
    Charlie’s Angel Southern USA
    Pastrygirl Arizona, USA
    Montrealer Montreal, Canada?
    Rose/OhioAnne Ohio, USA?
    Sparrow_Hawk Midwest USA
    deeinsouthafrica South Africa
    Elminster Oshawa, Ontario, Canada
    2cats, New Jersey (shore), USA
    Thornyrose Virginia, USA
    chevron7 (chev) Melbourne, Australia
    Maddog316: Ft. Myers, FL, USA
    Shiningwit – Cornwall, England
    Laura Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
    Sylvia Chicagoland, USA

  362. on November 1, 2009 at 6:33 pm | Reply Annie from Fremantle

    @ Susan

    I’m from Fremantle , Western Australia

    Liking SGU more as the season goes forward.

    It’s different, darker and more ‘adult’ (imo). One minute I’m not liking Grier, next show I’m liking him. He’s cool.

    Loving Eli as he goes from strength to strength and Rush is wonderful!

    Keep it coming. (So glad I have a friend who’s got cable !)

    As for you naysayers – stop expecting SGU to be a clone of SGA or SG..embrace the difference. Vive la Difference!! (scuse the spelling French people). If you don’t like the show, then quite kindly eff off please.


    I might send you and Carl something.. wonder if they make roo jerky… 😉 he he he

  363. Hello sir!

    Found the blog somehow near the opening of SGU. Been reading it since and ejoying the mailbag feature. (Hope your mom is doing better.) Figured now woud be a good time to add: Frankly, I really like the show. It has flaws, they all do. There are things I would do differently, but mostly I love the direction the show takes. The actors are great and the characters drive the show. Eli is my favorite and despite what Dr. Rush says in “Water” is more mature than others (looks at Rush (<_<). Got a good chuckle out of that one. Keep up the good work. The show is still early in the season and series. Still plenty of time for characters to face consequences for thier actions. I leave that comment as broad as possible intentionally. Keep it up. Take fan comments with a grain of salt, even this one. v(^_^)v

    Joe M. Vancouver, Canada
    Gilder Texas, USA
    PBMom Texas, USA
    Susan the Tartan Turtle, Perthshire, Scotland
    SG-1lover Scotland
    Dasndanger New Jersey, USA
    Charlie’s Angel Southern USA
    Pastrygirl Arizona, USA
    Montrealer Montreal, Canada?
    Rose/OhioAnne Ohio, USA?
    Sparrow_Hawk Midwest USA
    deeinsouthafrica South Africa
    Elminster Oshawa, Ontario, Canada
    2cats, New Jersey (shore), USA
    Thornyrose Virginia, USA
    chevron7 (chev) Melbourne, Australia
    Maddog316: Ft. Myers, FL, USA
    Shiningwit – Cornwall, England
    Berry – Las Vegas, NV

  364. @Joe – I appreciate your rant, and for the THIRD time, I will apologize for the use of the word “whore” in describing the character Chloe. I’m pretty sure that I’m the first person who used that word, and it was wrong.

    I won’t try to explain again what I was trying to say because I don’t want to fight about it and don’t want to be misunderstood. I know the use of the word “whore” was wrong, it was inflammatory, and I admit – as I have before – that the use of the word was offensive. It overstated the case. It was also mean, although I didn’t intend to be mean – in retrospect, I realized that it was, and that was one of the reasons I apologized. Finally, use of the word had nothing to do with the actor involved. I have never criticized her and will not.

    I don’t know what to say but “I’m sorry I used that word.” This is the third apology I’ve made for it. I *am* sorry. It was wrong. I had no intention of hurting anyone’s feelings. I allowed my anger at what I felt was dismissal of the opinions that disagreed with some folks get the better of me and went way too far.

    I can’t say that I’m sorry for my critique of what I have seen in SGU so far (that would be both hypocritical and a lie), but I acknowledge that at times I’ve gone too far. It does appear that I most likely won’t be sticking around based on what you have said about what is coming up, but there have been two episodes I like.

    Still, though, there are others who have the same opinion I do, and I think there are voices worth listening to. There are things that go too far, and I know I went too far. That is why I apologized before and do again. I hope that is enough.


  365. Fantastic post… I’m amazed you’ve been able to hold back this long. I’ve completely avoided the mailbag for weeks now and will continue to do so until people get over the fact that SG1/SGA are gone and SGU is what we have. I hope eventually that most of the goons that whine will realize that SGU isn’t a bad by any means and that it is just different. I’ve loved SGU so far and will absolutely continue to watch. I love the balance between not being TOO dark (BSG) and not taking the situation seriously enough (Voyager). Well done!

  366. And now for something completely different…

    Did y’all hear what happened Halloween night at the Spurs–Kings (basketball, USA) game?

    Shall we chant together?

    Man-U! Man-U!! MAN-U!!!

  367. I miss Todd. 😦


  368. Just wanted to show my support for all those involved in SGU. It’s a great series and I’m so excited that it’s part of the Stargate franchise. So what if it’s not just like SGA and SG-1? It’s a great show in it’s own right. It’s a shame hateful fans had to chase off Brian from Twitter.

    Don’t give into the hate, Joe! Keep making SGU awesome just to mess with their heads!

  369. Some of the posters have been complaining that SGU shouldn’t have the Stargate name since it doesn’t always use the stargate etc. Just because the stargate is not used in every episode does not make it unworthy of the stargate name. There are many, many episodes where SG1 and SGA do not use/show the stargate in episodes. The city of Atlantis was always thought of as a character and the same should be with Destiny.

  370. Hi Joe,

    Thank you.

    Thank you for addressing those points in your message.

    I hope that you don’t allow the puerile comments from narrow-minded people to be added to your future blog entries. The jejune attitudes of such people are better off completely ignored.

    One question on this matter:

    Do you know that there are far more loving and adoring fans of the amazing work that is accomplished by you, the other writers and producers, the rest of the crew, and the cast?

    Many – many, many – of us will forever love Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis, but please know that we are very appreciative of and will also forever love Stargate Universe.

    Thank you for giving us wonderful Stargate stories.

    Thank you.


  371. Thank you, Joe! I will admit to skimming the mailbag recently because of all the negativity. While I love your responses to the “idiots”, I felt myself getting angry and that is not why I read your blog. I read it because you share a part of a world I would give my left arm to be a part of. I hope this negativity doesn’t affect your ability to continue sharing with us. I could see MGM & SYFY placing a gag order on you to protect the production. That would suck eggs.

    I have been a Stargate fan for as long as there has been a show to watch. I will continue to be a fan as long as there is a show to watch. I congratulate all of you(producers, actors & crew) for what is turning into a brilliant series. Thank you again for sharing what you do.


  372. on November 1, 2009 at 7:51 pm | Reply EternalDensity

    What’s this location rollcall thingy supposed to achieve??


    I want the show to fail. Maybe if it fails they will stop writing it the way it is. I realize that’s not likely, but one can hope. Also, I’m hoping if fans talk trash about it the writers may reconsider its direction. Again, I realize this isn’t likely, but I can hope.”
    What about every other TV show you don’t like? Do you rant against all of them too?

    There’s a lot of what Joe said that might have been right. I don’t have all of the info because I’m never on twitter and there prolly are some pretty mean things people have been saying. All I know is that people have been politely debating with Joe about decisions on the show and he doesn’t even answer them and can be just as rude as many of his commenters. I don’t think he likes hearing that many fans think SGU is stupid and I think that’s what inspired this rant of his. As far as blaming the actors and attacking people, yes, that’s wrong. The part where we disagree is that I don’t think saying “Your show is dumb.” is attacking someone.”
    From your comments it appears that you don’t understand the situation at all.

  373. on November 1, 2009 at 7:53 pm | Reply Annie from Fremantle

    “…I hope that you don’t allow the puerile comments from narrow-minded people to be added to your future blog entries. The jejune attitudes of such people are better off completely ignored…..’ – sean

    Hey Sean

    From what I know (and I accept being corrected if I am wrong) Joe tries to be fair and adds even negative commentary to his blog.

    It’s a way to balance out the good and the bad. We all have an opinion and Joe accepts that, putting posts that he doesn’t necessarily agree with in the comments section. He then answers them if he feels he wants to.

    It’s all about being fair. He’s a Libran (like moi) after all. 😉

  374. Hm, since there will be more eroticism in this – does that mean we’ll finally find out what gender a Stargate is? 🙂

  375. I miss Todd, too. 😦

    But there may be Todd-like qualities in Rush, even though he is less personable – both have hidden agendas and, so far, are my favorite characters in their respective series.

    Your comment about Mr. das gave me a chuckle.

    I’ll see ya at the Moorcock Inn.

  376. Joe M. Vancouver, Canada
    Gilder Texas, USA
    PBMom Texas, USA
    Susan the Tartan Turtle, Perthshire, Scotland
    SG-1lover Scotland
    Dasndanger New Jersey, USA
    Charlie’s Angel Southern USA
    Pastrygirl Arizona, USA
    Montrealer Montreal, Canada?
    Rose/OhioAnne Ohio, USA?
    Sparrow_Hawk Midwest USA
    deeinsouthafrica South Africa
    Elminster Oshawa, Ontario, Canada
    2cats, New Jersey (shore), USA
    Thornyrose Virginia, USA
    chevron7 (chev) Melbourne, Australia
    Maddog316: Ft. Myers, FL, USA
    Shiningwit – Cornwall, England
    Berry – Las Vegas, NV
    Belouchi- Montreal, Canada

  377. @Siri Atiragram Lleof – I just read your post to BillieO, and I think you might be right. For expressing a respectful and genuine comment/concern, I’ve already been called “crazy” and “virulent” today. At this point, it’s just amusing…

    Peace & Love,


  378. “we love our cast and are very protective of them.”

    That may be a problem – like commanders you need a distance. Its harder to correct a friend than send a note to someone you’ve never met.

    “They have earned the right to watch it and give their opinion on anything Stargate related.”

    Especially if they have spent thousands of dollars on this franchise.

    “I follow every single SGU actor who’s on twitter”

    They keep retweeting each other, so its enough to just follow one of them 😉

    @Siri Atiragram Lleof
    “If you look at Gateworld, IMDb, etc. you’ll see I’m not the only one with this opinion. In fact, the majority agree with me.”

    Of course if you look at sales, you’ll see Battle Stargalactica season 4 outsold Stargate Atlantis season 5 – so there is money in bleak, dreary and depressing 🙂

    “If there’s going to be intimacy in your show why not throw Eli a bone,”

    Yeah, he could get together with Lieutenant Mc oops….. the one who can kill in you fifty ways without looking *g*

    “I can’t see the behind the scenes vid for some reason. It just doesn’t show up. ”

    You don’t have javascript disabled by any chance? You need that enabled for it to appear.


    “Attacking the actors is inexcusable. ”

    For most people there are too kinds of actors – those they find credible, and those they do not find credible. Commenting on the latter category does not equate ‘attacking’.


    “Bridge Studios” is a hint that it is the address for Bridge Studios 😉 – so named because the place once upon a time build parts for bridges (like the Golden Gate), now they shoot (at) stargates there: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bridge_Studios.jpg

    “Carter had a fiancé”
    Yeah, stalker Pete 😉 I know – but I don’t remember any sex.

    Now if it turns out that Rush and Young get together – that I’m likely to remember *g*

  379. @ Sparrowhawk – I managed to wiggle my way out of Twilight! Prolly won’t be so lucky tomorrow. 😛

    I, too, thought Rush had Todd-like qualities. Now, if Rush was only pale, silver-locked and could give killer hand hickeys, THEN we’d be talkin’! 😀


  380. Hey Twiceborn – You sure you’re not related to my in-laws?

  381. Twitter – I tried reading people’s Twitter pages but can never work out what it going on. It’s nonsensical.

    Wakened by snoring cat under bed ;-(

  382. Jes said Nielsen families were diary keepers. Not so. I know someone who used to be Nielsen; they had equipment installed on their TVs and tracking software of some kind on their computers. We had to punch buttons while watching. Felt awfully big brotherish, but they didn’t keep paper diaries. There’s a limit to how long they could be monitored, a couple years at best, I think.

  383. I’m sorry to hear that our online actions are having reprecussions for you at work.

    I feel that people wouldn’t be so vocal about how they feel the characters are behaving if they had to tell the cast in person. Online there is little to no accountability for what they say.

    Also, this online backlash should not effect the actors in their own online lives. They should not be harrassed by doing their jobs, for our own entertainment.

    Personally, I don’t care for the intimate scenes, where as the implied scene in “Light” was much more to my liking. I just see this as another way to contribute the story. As long as it doesn’t turn this show into an adult film, it’s fine.

    About this not being a clone of SG1 and Atlantis, I’m fine with that. The format of Universe is a breath of fresh are compared to the format used by SG1 and Atlantis for the past 12-13 years.

    Back to the intimate scenes, I’m fine with them, is there any way to give a little more warning before they show, it gets difficult having to chase out my 12 year old sister when I feel there might be a scene she shouldn’t see, or having someone else walk into the room while its happening. Even worse is when an older sibling or parent walks in while they’re going at it, while I’m watching on a 60 inch TV.

    On a positive note, you are all doing a phenominal job, I don’t have any negative feedback for your cast and crew. (Aside from Haig Sutherland’s character but I was just hoping for a more upbeat character like Chuck or Walter).

    Lastly, I DEMAND more flamethrower scenes. Seriously the best part of “Water”. Please just do me this simple favour and grant me lots of flamethrower scenes.

    Actually, if possible, for the second season, could you put the flamethrower in as a main character? You would secure my place in the fandom forever if you did.

    ~ Star Platinum

  384. “If you don’t like the character interactions, romance, and open-ended story elements introduced to date, you’re in for a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong haul because that’s our show.”

    Thank you for saving me a long haul and DVR space. It’s now clear that no improvement is in store for the show so I bid it farewell. Evidently, SG-1’s episode “200” all too accurately foretold the future of the “younger, hipper” Stargate franchise.


  385. on November 1, 2009 at 8:54 pm | Reply David A Moehrke

    I agree with Joe, this is not SG1 or SGA. I very much enjoyed the first two shows, and hope that in the future many more movies are done. I even hope that sometime in the future, and I do mean not too distant, as I am 64 and could only hope to have 40 years or so left. That a Star Gate based on the type that SG1 and SGA, with a similar feel, but with an occasional love scene in it. Not too many, but not none. maybe two or three a twenty episode season.
    Now with all of that said. I do fine myself coming on board SGU. After the cancellation of SGA I was very disappointed. Then after a bit I started to hear rumors about the new show. It was going to be dark, and BSG like. I was not too enstused

  386. on November 1, 2009 at 8:55 pm | Reply David A Moehrke

    I do NOT know why my comments were posted before I was ready!

  387. I’ve read your Blog for a long time because I completely loved Atlantis… and I’m loving SGU because it’s NOT like SG-1 or Atlantis… And you’re right about personal attacks crossing the line, a very big line… Just know that their are more people cheering on the show and the actors and the writers and the crew and everyone involved in the show… people need to remember what their Mama told them “IF YOU CAN’T SAY SOMETHING NICE, DON’T SAY ANYTHING AT ALL!” and don’t say it on the internet… Best Wishes to you all…

  388. Joe,

    I’ve been a Stargate fan since the beginning and have followed your blog here and there. It shouldn’t be surprising that trolls would start swinging their clubs at you or your cast. That’s what they do – nothing will make them all happy. But I’m sure you and your cast know that. I suspect your skin to be made of thicker stuff. Sure, it’s idiotic and demeaning, but the web’s been like that since we were dialing in at 1200bps. It’s hard for some folks to get the idea that the other end of a television or computer monitor contains flesh and blood. Maybe the day we figure that out we’ll all end up closer to ascension.

    Anyway, I think having a discussion surrounding the “sex” or “intimate” scenes or however you want to call them is probably worthwhile within the shows fandom. I know this time around you’re going for something more “gritty” – less “sci-fi” and more “syfy.” However, when any show does something like this, it’s hard to make these romances seem not like a desperate tack on to attract a newer/”hipper” demographic. Kids dig Twilight because somewhere in their subconscious they know it’s just a soap opera with vampires. Space cowboys making out in the dark isn’t going to win them over, because space cowboys aren’t overgrown dark and misunderstood high school kids.

    You were probably going for a shock factor with the initial Scott/James business – but the entire Scott/Chloe thread just seems so tacked on. It’s just not believable yet and even if it was, I just wouldn’t care about it. Romance and intimacy are fine, when you’ve got an established relationship with the characters, when time is given for tension to build, when there’s an appropriate back story. That’s why it worked in BSG. The romance that first existed was explained as simple back story and the ones that grew later were happening at more opportune times. It’s hard to believe that after only a sliver of time on the Destiny, while everything is still falling apart and everyone feels an inch away from death that our heroes are ducking to their quarters for a make out session.

    Overall, I think it’s a fine show and I’m sure it will grow on me (and others who are skeptical) over time. It took about two seasons of Atlantis for me to really get into it. A friend of mine, who hated SG1, ended up becoming a big fan of Atlantis when he saw a handful of late season 3 episodes. He’s watched a few later SG1 episodes and enjoyed them. I think it’s a matter of everyone getting into their grove actingwise, writingwise, whatever.

    You’re definitely going the more character driven route, which is fine, but I think we could use a little more actual sci-fi in this series. Eli’s little hovercart invention was nice. The Keno’s are nice. It’s hard to believe though, that the rest of the people on Destiny though aren’t finding all sorts of neat ancient wonders. Let’s see some more of those.

    Either way, keep up the good work. I’m sure it will all work out in the end.

  389. Hey Joe, just wanted to take a moment away from my weekend long World of Warcraft-a-thon to tell you that I LOVE SGU. I was a big SG1 fan, an even bigger fan of SGA, and now, an absolute rabid fan of SGU. Love the characters, the setting, the feel… EVERYTHING.

    As sad as I was to see SGA go, SGU is what I wanted SGA to be, and I thank you for that! Now, see what you can do to make sure this series is around for… oh… 19 more seasons sound good?

  390. Its amazing what people will complain about. The show is fine a bit predictable so far but hopefully that will change.

  391. This is worse than the Daniel Jackson leaving/Carson Beckett dying shitstorm combined.

    Shame on us all, even those of us who love the show, for ever letting it get to this point.


  392. I have to say that, objectively, SG:U is one of the worst television shows I have ever watched. Moving away from the former Stargate series’ with more drama, character interaction and overall “seriousness” is fine. Crying that genre fans are upset over the dark tone or sexuality is hilarious when considering the golden standards of non-Trek sci-fi are Babylon 5 and the new BSG (with SG-1 also in the running) is not.

    The problem is that you’ve wasted your time legitimizing the arguments of rabid idiots (i.e. the “sexist” fans) who will criticize even the smallest minutiae of any show when you should have been focusing on making your audience actually care about your characters. Go out and poll some casual fans who’ve caught 2-3 episodes of your show. I’d be surprised if they knew any names other than Eli or Rush. The reason people call your well-endowed actress “Lieutenant McBoobs” is because no one actually knows anything about her, other than the fact that she has giant cans

  393. @ Shadow

    Nope, not disabled. Also it does show up today, strangely.

  394. Come on… Don’t they get tired to say the same things over and over and over ? Yeah, people, if don’t like the show, just don’t watch it.

    I grew up watching SG1, and Atlantis started when I was a teenager. Now that I’ve reached adulthood, I’m glad to have a brand-new SGU, more… “adult-like”.

    *Oh, and, sorry if my English is weird, but I’m French :D*

  395. Thanks for this post, I hope many will read it.

    I hope the SGU actors realise that not all of us fans are bad and have doubts about gettin into the show. It’s often the negative comments who are more vocal, I hope they can hear us fans who love it to.

    So far, my favorite characters is Young, Scott, TJ and Eli. Cross my fingers that none of them gets killed!

  396. Hinting at a characters murky past isn’t enough to make them interesting, and ‘survival’ as the main theme of the show isn’t going to hold an audience. Something more needs to be going on in the background, Lost had The Others and the general mystery of the island, and BSG had the Cylons, so far SGU has nothing beyond a group of people stuck on a ship, and more importantly a group that for the most part aren’t endearing enough for people care about what happens to them at all. Not that I think they should all be likeable SG-1 types, but they at least need some appeal. It just seems to me than in aiming for a more serialised show, you’ve actually made a more episodic one, I mean sure character arcs continue from one episode to the next, but we’re still back to a problem of the week formula, and I seriously doubt the mystery of Rush, or any other character intrigue will be enough to keep people coming back week after week. The show needs a direction in my opinion, though I can’t say I’m too optimistic when I see Brad Wright explaining in interviews how he hasn’t even planned for an ending, and doesn’t really believe in doing that either.


  397. I have to say I agree with this post, and feel sorry for the actors + crew involved in Universe. As a long-term fan of the series, I’ve been pretty appalled by some of the comments I’ve seen online about the show and its characters. I have some issues with it, including the Chloe/Scott scenes (mostly that it kinda came out of nowhere, and that their bond seemed unrealistically strong given how long they’d known each other), but there’s no excuse for the vicious attacks some people are posting.

    For my part, I’m enjoying the show more with each episode – it’s a bit slow at times, and some of the writing has been somewhat awkward, but that’s understandable given how different the show is to its predecessors. In my opinion, this has the potential to be a really, really good show. The level of cast + crew involvement online has also been a pleasant surprise, and it’s unfortunate that this has been damaged by some so-called “fans”.

  398. Talking like that on a place like this isn’t right. It’s bad enough when the haters all get together on a place out of the public spotlight but in an arena where not only the actors but also their families are likely to see it? It’s not on. And trust me, there are areas of the ‘net where they are being called out on it by their fellow fen.

    As for SGU, like many SGA and SG-1 fans I was upset about their cancellations and very worried about some of the early information about SGU. Younger and fresher crew, the demographics they were chasing, nightmares about a Stargate 90210 were in my head but it seemed only fair to give the show a chance. Give it a few episodes, see how I felt then. Then Robert Carlyle was signed up and I breathed a massive sigh of relief.

    Robert Carlyle is a fantastic actor, though I usually associate him with Hamish McBeth before anything else. And even at these points, the idea of personally insulting the actors and wishing them off the show seemed…. well, like a bad idea.

    Yes the show isn’t perfect, personally I have issues with the amount of Christian prayer in it. I’m an atheist, I tend to be a bit touchy about such things. But it makes sense for a certain character given his history and they are in such a situation that it’s believable, it’s life. I am just hoping it gets firmly balanced by other opinions on such matters at some point. They can’t all be Christians, can they, given the number of survivors.

    As for people arguing about show time for different characters, as you say – it’s a large cast. A lot of SG1/SGA fans are used to smaller casts and even there there were worries about Teyla and Elizabeth not getting much development. Shows such as Babylon 5 which had a largish sized cast and plot arc driven story telling, faced similar problems. And fen will adjust, and as time goes on and different characters get their own air time and episodes people will start to worry less. So I’m looking forward to Camille episodes, especially how a certain spoiler is going to play out (and I hope it’s well, or there will be a LOT of upset fen), to see Chloe come into her own. I’m already loving the other characters, even if I don’t always like those characters as people. Rush, as interesting as he is and as much as I sympathise with him, is a bit of a prat at times. I say ‘bit’…

    Basically, I’m looking forward to the future and how it plays out. It’s an interesting show, and different from the other SGs. And it’s probably that great difference, alongside the resentment about the cancellation of SGA that is resulting in a lot of the emotional hostility towards the show, it isn’t personal though it may sometimes come out that way.

    Fen (old school term, sometimes seen as the proper plural for fan) can be extremely loyal to their shows, and to characters they take a liking to. An injury to them, especially one they see as unjust, can upset us like if you had deeply insulted friends of ours. Though that doesn’t mean they’re right for acting like that, on here or other similar places.

    I do have a Question though: Given their situation, do you think when things calm down there will be some cross dicipline training? Especially from TJ, having only a medic is bad enough, but only one is even worse. Wouldn’t it make sense for her to start teaching others on this stuff?

  399. If I offer my opinion it’s with the hopes that it might “help” SGU survive a long run.

    IMHO, Both the Chloe and Scott characters have not won me over. For me if they were not on the show I would not miss them (note: I am talking about the fictitious TV show characters identified as Scott and Chloe, NOT THE ACTORS portraying them).
    Should these characters change, i.e. the way they behave in context of the story line then my opinion will change (NO,, not the way they act, I’m still talking about the 2 fictitious characters)
    On the other hand I absolutely adore Rush, Eli, and enjoy the other characters, e.g. Greer, TJ, Riley and the rest.

    About camera work, my eyes would be grateful if it would stop jiggling, once in a while.

    I can understand it’s used for effect, but for me at points it goes on too long, and also it would be nice if the camera would pan out sometimes, too many face close-ups make me personally feel a bit too stifled, to coin a word “Air” please 🙂

    Lastly, I know Destiny is running on low power, but perhaps a wee bit more light in some scenes, it’s just that watching something so dark for for 6 weeks straight is leaving a “downer” kind of feeling. It’s alright for a couple of episodes, but I at least need some “sunshine” relief once in a while.

    I will still watch the show, but having read your blog, I must admit your comment about “clawing my out my eyes out” in the future makes me apprehensive about devoting my every Friday night to watch faithfully, only to have my hopes shattered in a month or so? and I’m sure you didn’t say that in any threatening way? I’m feeling like maybe you would prefer me to give up now instead of hanging on to some hope?
    It would be insane for you or any other SGU production member to want to get rid of fans???

    Implied intimacy is one thing, but over the top in your face portrayal of it (in a SciFi series) well for me anyway it turns me off, and NO I am not a prude, nor have a problem of any kind with sex. When I feel like enjoying some sexual fare I will turn to the appropriate media. Up till now all of the SciFi TV shows I’ve enjoyed have lacked the explicit sex scenes (yes characters had relationships/sex, but it wasn’t in your face, on the screen).

    You have every right to produce whatever you please and like. I as a HUGE fan of the SG series want very hard to continue to support SGU, which after all is a “franchise” of SG.
    (it does have Stargate in the title) so it’s not a stretch for SG1/SGA fans to have expected it to be somewhat similar. Now had production called the show “Destiny Lost” or something like that, then I wouldn’t have had Stargate quality expectations.

    Using the name Stargate? was this not to have SG1/SGA fans check out your new show? Perhaps a bit of “false” advertising?

    If my post is hurting anyone’s feelings I apologize for that, but as a LONG STANDING FAN of the SG series, I think I earned the right to state how I think/feel.
    Take it for what you will, or don’t take it, ultimately the only power I have is to enjoy the show and watch,,, or not.

    I want to stay the fan I’ve always been, please consider fans like me and how we feel, also look at the stats, how long did SG1 and SGA run? then look at what’s happening to Defying Gravity (SciFi show with similar techniques/style as SGU, i.e. jiggly cameras, dark, relationships, open sexual scenes), DG is at best struggling to stay on the air. BSG, a 4 year run, not bad, but certainly not 15 years.

    Please keep me watching, thanks 🙂

  400. “If you don’t like the character interactions, romance, and open-ended story elements introduced to date, you’re in for a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong haul because that’s our show.”

    Well, you are in for a short series run too, so it all evens out.

  401. on November 2, 2009 at 7:28 am | Reply A Stargate Fan

    If you don’t want a character labeled Lt. Tits McGee, perhaps you should not focus on her tits in five or six jump cuts to different actors in the same scene. Once was enough to establish what Eli and the other guy were looking at.

    You should also have Eli stop explaining is references to things like the Hoth system. Instead, have the other characters either say something like, “We get it Eli, now shut up.” or just groan and roll their eyes.

    You also need to have more consistency and rational thought from your characters. Especially military characters that have been trained to make rational decisions under stress. Seriously. The dumbass that shot at the sand alien was a moron and wouldn’t have made it through basic training.

    Focus less on teen drama/romance and more on characters making decisions that they are trained to make.

  402. “Trust me when I say that there’s no better way to guarantee a character’s long and fruitful stay on a show than to insist we get rid of them. ”

    In that case, I *insist* that you get rid of Chloe, Eli, Dr. Rush, and Lt. Young. 😉

  403. For me the behind-the-scene video is better then the episode itself lol.

  404. Hi there! First time poster here – but I had to step up and say I agree with you completely. People tend to use the anonimity provided by the internet tot forget silly little things like manners, and that the people they are berating *are* people.

    You think it’s bad here, you should check out forums for online games, like World of Warcraft or Lord of the Rings Online. There are posters in those places that really, honestly believe that the game designers are specifically targetting *them* when they make any sort of minor change to some function of the game. :p

    Ah well…

  405. SGU is, in my opinion, one of the greatest shows on television. I don’t get what people are getting all peeved about. Keep up the fantastic work.

  406. Ah!? 388 responses !!!!! Did I miss something ??

    “Water” good episode but not the best; but every actors show great talent in a way or an other. Robert Carlyle, I think that we will love to hate Dr Rush; David Blue very good;Louis Ferreira very good;Brian J Smith is good and I am sure he will be better and better;Jamil Walker Smith I totally agree with you he has a huge presence on screen; Elyse Lévesque yet to decide as for Alaina Huffman.

    By the way is Élyse Lévesque a french canadian ancestry ?

  407. i dont understand why anybody would feel the need to leave a rude or nasty comment. constructive criticism, or opinions are fine, but if you dont like the show, go watch something else. the only problem i have with the show is that i have to wait a week after each episode before i can see some more.
    keep up the good work, guys ‘n gals

  408. Love SGU so far. Thank you, thank you, for making a science fiction TV show that, for once, treats space travel as dangerous (and therefore potentially exciting), and space exploration as inherently interesting.

    As for the characters, flawed people are always more dramatically interesting than paragons. And people who argue with each other are far more plausible than teams of paragons who just bask in each other’s awesomeness.

  409. I’ve watched all 3 Stargate series and I’m enjoying this one a lot. I like that you’ve gone far away from the established story telling model. It worked for SG-1 (arguably not as well for SGA) but I like my Sci-Fi (Sy-Fy???) to be more serial and smarter.

    You’ve created some interesting characters and I can’t wait to see them develop over time.

    I would ask 2 things.

    1) Please make Greer more of a 3 dimensional character.

    2) Give the geek a girl. (And by that I mean Eli the funny one not the angry Rush.)

    Thank you.

  410. I appreciate the fact that SGU is darker and tries to be more realistic with its characters. I really enjoyed SGA but was always bit disappointed that none of the characters really evolved (emotionally).

    I see that this is definitely not a problem with SGU, and that’s a big plus. However, I am finding it difficult to relate to any of the characters because none of them are *likable* (with the possible exceptions of Eli and Chloe).

    I appreciate flawed, dimensional characters, but why do they all have to be written as mean, self-centered, inconsiderate, and secretive? I would think that, if these were real people, many (not all) of them would be trying to get along with each other and cooperate.

  411. I enjoyed the old Stargate shows and I really appreciate the way that this new show is different. I also feel the show has gone above and beyond in trying to inform the viewer in an intelligent and subtle way that this is a different type of show. I personally prefer having the casting, cinematography, lighting and audio production tell me what to expect in the tone and themes of the show the way SGU does now.

    As for character development, I hope and expect to see many of the characters, including the female characters, deal with the frustration of being in a situation where they have very little to no control over their situation. This was a hand picked crew were every member contributes and gets an episode where they heroically save the day. I think we were told to expect that the show would be about the wrong people in the wrong place and I believe that up until now the show has very much delivered on that promise.

    I also appreciate the genius of having the one brilliant scientist that can answer all the questions and save the day not be the super upstanding emotionally balanced team player. I also love that the smartest character is for the most part not trusted by the rest of the crew.

    As an overweight nerd I was disappointed with the Chloe character (read not the scene but the character in the scene) when she hooked up with Scott. I was disappointed with her the way you get disappointed with people in the real world and I think on the whole it added to realism of the show.

    The show is off to a great start and has a lot of potential, I hope in the long run I am not let down.

  412. Boy, did the Stargate phenomena took a turn for the worse! Sorry mate, I don’t agree with insults and idiot comments, but that’s just the frustration of dedicated SG fans boiling over when they see that an extremely good Sci-Fi show has become a soap opera!

  413. Well said! Keep up the awesome work, I love the show. People like to complain about things, and complainers tend to be more vocal than non-complainers.

    That said, I do have a complaint:

    I have to wait a whole week between episodes!

  414. I must say I am enjoying the show. I would like to applaud your recent comment about “idiot fans”. I am happy you are not doing “tv in a can” style writing, in which it’s just like all the other shows. I look forward to whatever you plan on doing with the show. I like to the way you are developing the characters.

    I thought I would let you know how much I appreciate good writing, even if it goes against the fan’s wishes. I’m looking for to the first season of SGU.

  415. For what it’s worth: I’ve watched about two minutes total of Stargate and Stargate:Atlantis combined; didn’t take long to realize that they’re not my kind of show. I tuned in to the SGU premiere expecting it to suck. To my surprise, it was quite good. So I watched the next few episodes just to see exactly when the show would START to suck. And yet, it still failed to suck.

    At this point, I have no choice but to continue watching the show for the sole reason that it’s really good.

    So I say, keep it up.

  416. Amen.

    It’s one thing to talk about the characters interactions, but the crazies are attacking the show, writers and direction.

    Also, I’m confused about all the prudes out there. Who are these people?

  417. I’ve never actually posted here before, but saw the story linked-in from another Web site.

    I’m a huge fan of SGU and love the new direction.

    I thoroughly enjoyed SG-1 and Atlantis, but I like the new tone and take of SGU even more.

    Keep up the fantastic work!

  418. I have to say it is a sad truth of the internet that the most vocal majority almost always seems to be those with a negative opinion, and that the relative anonymity of this type of forum lets those individuals be so much more ugly than they ever would be otherwise. Thankfully your post in response to the heightened negativity seems to be bringing out the love. I just thought I’d add my two cents.

    Stargate Atlantis is probably my all-time favorite show, and I have always found the world of Stargate to be extremely immersive and enjoyable. And while I so far don’t find Stargate Universe to be as immersive as its sister series, I think that’s just because it’s new, and we don’t know these characters yet like we know the others. I am still enjoying it immensely. Every week I eagerly tune in to find out what new challenge will face the crew and just how you are going to have them get themselves out of it.

    While the difference between this series and the first two may have been quite a shock to anyone who avoids spoiler sites or doesn’t spend much time on the internet in general, no one can say you didn’t try to warn us the show would be going in a different direction. It was made quite clear from the first announcement of the new series that this would not be the “same old Stargate.”

    These are different characters and different situations than we’ve seen before–of course it’s going to be a different show. It’s not like you’ve had beloved characters acting completely against their known natures. You’ve been giving us Stargate stories for well over a decade, I say you’re completely entitled to try something new, and am just thankful that you’re willing to keep that “new” in the “old” world.

    As for those “fans” who think they have a right to demand you make changes to the story or cast, I have never understood that school of thought. These are the stories you choose to share with us–you know these people and you know what they’re doing and where they’re going. Who are we to tell you how to do your job? The whole point is that you do your job and we get to enjoy the fruits of your labors!

    So, to you and to all of the cast and crew of Stargate Universe, I say job well done, and keep it up, please!

  419. Hokay, pardon me ahead of time because I may sound like a moron in some parts of this but I am being serious…just kinda scatterbrained.

    First, thank you for this show. SGU looks like it will effectively fill a Battlestar shaped hole in my heart, for which I am thankful for. Second, I hated SG-1 and the other show that I couldn’t think of watching because SG-1 was still in my mind and it had the name Atlantis in it. So yeah, I never gave it a chance, but lets forget that. The reason I primarily disliked Stargate SG-1 is because it was everything I hated about typically mainstream Sci-fi; it was campy, occasionally cheesy, spoon fed me character development in the form of obnoxious “just cuz” and yes, told me an entire start to finish story almost every episode save when it managed to span something out to two or three episodes. Did it have an over-arcing plot? Yes, but it was so far off I couldn’t give a shit and it handed me so much filler I couldn’t watch for longer than a week. Good lord and it went on FOREVER.

    Such it was that when SGU premiered and I saw people from that show I kind of cringed, but I was thankful for their minimal screen time and minimal ties to the true plot of the show. I kept watching, and was pleased. Now, before I forget, I will say this one thing; SGU is copying Battlestar Galactica, just not in the way most people mean. Yes, there is shakey cam, yes there is a similar atmosphere but this is a GOOD thing. If someone got it right, by all means steal shamelessly, but they are doing so without having to follow in lockstep. SGU thus far has stood on it’s own while lending some very good lessons from a show like BSG. What Battlestar did very well was focus and capture the interactions of people in an isolated environment with certain stress factors and needs, and develop them within that environment. They are dealing with having to tackle the issue of necessities for their environment one by one, ie air, water, food etc. Also, it told a story, it had a reason for being that did not end with each episode and begin anew on the next. What matters is that I believe this situation, it seems plausible, their behaviors seem plausible, even if silly at times, because people DO act silly in weird situations. I am FINE with not knowing everything about why each character is the way they are, I will learn that as they interact with each other and interact with the situation they are in. I will relate to them uniquely based on their role in the story as it progresses. I never liked being told a start to finish story each episode of a show, I liked being told a story episode by episode, with as little filler as possible. I want it to make sense why these characters are doing what they do, and SGU is doing that very well so far.

    Do some characters seem one dimensional at the moment? Of COURSE they do, just as a story has to be told, each character is a story unto themselves. Tell me just how many people you meet and know everything about in a few minutes. Yes, thus far there is big boob military chick (and yes, that sounds crass, but I learn names as I go and I think you are a very attractive woman who’s character I totally find interesting to the story so sorry if I offend), who may seem like nothing more than “chick alpha male guy banged in the closet” and “chick who was caught in her skivvies and dudes were staring” but I kinda think that is the point, as in our last episode we saw another side when she dealt with doe eyed girl in an interesting fashion which related back to broom closet sex and made me go “Huh, interesting.”, and I am FINE with being at that point with her, I don’t need it all at once. Senator daughter doe eyed girl seems annoying and unable to cope without some guy in her life…GEE MAYBE THAT IS WHAT SHE IS KIND OF LIKE, because nobody in the world has daddy issues. Heck, she acted like a brat but she NEEDED the strong figure that was her father. She lost that so she seemingly clings to any strong male figure at the time. Eli at one moment (yeah I know his name) and alpha male the next. It makes SENSE, alpha male guy is strong in his own way, confident and intelligent despite his flaws; that draws her. Just as she as drawn to Eli for his intelligence, his comfort in situations and his own take on this entire dilemma they are in. It pisses off lots of viewers thus far, but what they don’t realize is that it is because they are relating to her, or Eli, or Alpha male, in their own way. Negative relation is still strong relation to a character, which is a plus in a story. If a character can evoke a reaction without the show having to basically tell me “This guy is a douche bag because he says douche-bag things, so please think he is a douchebag.” right on SGU.

    I like what this show is doing, a story is okay if it evokes good reactions and bad reactions, some emotionally stunted people just don’t realize that and immediately go rage on the internet. I understand your frustration writer-guy and sorry that you have to deal with people like that but you also need to realize that in an open forum like the internet where people hide behind a semblance of anonymity, it will happen. Nonetheless, continue on, I like this show. You are sparing me from the repetitiveness of Heroes and the lack of Battlestar Galactica. You are telling me a story that I am attentive to and eager to follow. Yes my knowledge of the characters goes as far as “Dr. Rush, Eli, lead military dude, alpha male, hot boobie lady, doe-eyed-girl, etc” but I learn as I go, and this show has me as a dedicated viewer until it doesn’t. If I stop liking the show for some reason though, I will still appreciate it for what it has done thus far; entertain me.

    Keep up the good work, cast and crew.

  420. Well, what can I say Mr. Mallozzi. You guys were a shining light on television with SG-1 and SGA, but you have run headlong the other way with a Survior-like melodrama of galactic proportions. Fans come to expect gold from the franchise, since we have been given it in the past, but are now being given corroded copper. It is unfortunate that some fans attack the cast and crew; that is uncalled for. Below are my observations of the show:

    1.) Character-driven, but the characters have no likeable traits to them. You simply cannot “root” for them and in fact, I have no real concern what happens to them.
    2.) “Too” real. We watch science fiction to escape reality temporarily, not to have it thrown back into our faces. There is always CNN or Fox News for that.
    3.) Forced drama for the sake of drama. Forced dramatic scenes that are obviously in place to emphasize the scene, but the main kernel that drives the dramatic scene is too trivial to begin with.
    4.) Self-limiting plot. A broken ship, with a broken crew, heading no where. Even if they do meet hostile intelligent aliens besides “mists”, they will have no ammuntion to take them on or resources, unless they meet a friendly world, but the ship is on a time limit to make the next FTL jump.
    5.) Obvious plots. There are some exceptions to this, but by and large, it is glaringly obvious.

    To sum it up, MGM went the “Survivor” route to draw in the latest TV fans of reality TV and luke warm melo-dramas of crime and hospital contexts, while ignoring those fans who made the shows so successful.

    Bottom line: The show is broken, fix it, otherwise I will stop watching it for good and will probably boycott any other StarGate direct-to-DVD movie seeing how the franshise treats fans that made its past endeavors so successful!

  421. It’s really unbelievable the number of people who post negative comments about TV shows on blogs and message boards. If you don’t like a show, just don’t watch. That’s what I do. Nobody cares if you think it “sucks.”

    I really think this is the reason so many shows, especially sci-fi or fantasy, get canceled early these days. People read what the trolls are saying and either question why they like the show or choose to not start watching it.

  422. Was linked to your blog from io9 posting this. Just wanted to chime in to say that I love SGU and have understood, from day one, that this was not going to be SG1 or Atlantis and am perfectly happy with that. Every show is unique in it’s own way and I don’t believe it’s fair to the writers, producers, actors, etc to hold the show up to a standard that was set from a previous incarnation in the franchise that had a completely different writing style and experience.

    Keep up the fantastic work. Even though it’s a different show, it still feels like Stargate to me and am loving it so far. Here’s to the rest of the season and many more seasons to come!

  423. I am a huge SG fan and I can understand your situation.

    However my opinion about the show (sorry if it is the wrong place to voice it, but I just found this article) is that its direction is a good one and I like the drama and I like the setting. You should keep it this way!

    What you have to change in my opinion is the writer staff and the whole cast (I know it is unlikely to happen).

    The stories are written dilettantish and the crew is unsympathetic. I don’t know a single name of the characters by the episode 6. I also don’t like or hate any of the characters, because I just don’t care.

    Oh, wait…I am lieing. The only character I know and like is Eli. He is a symphathetic guy, but you should make him more usefull. As for now I have the feeling, he has no real purpose on that ship.

    The last episode (water) was like something, I have written in 5th grade in school. I don’t even know, what did the writers think when they wrote it. It was written without any imagination and fully unmotivated.

    The CGI and the scenery is cool. I love it. Especially the CGI.

    So I will watch the show becuase of the SG title, but I am afraid, you won’t see a second season if you don’t change something.

  424. @Shadow Step
    “At one point you in fact see Carter having sex with someone”

    We did? When was this? She was never allowed to kiss O’Neill as i recall.

    Actually she did. Remember the hysterically funny episode where O’Neill and Teal’c relived the same day over and over again? I’m too lazy to go and look up the name on my boxed set…. but it was one of the funniest eps ever.

  425. I personally love the show.
    I wish the character of Rush was a bit less enigmatic but I love the non-flat characters. Everyone has their own motivations and story. Somewhat like real people which is a nice change for a TV show.

  426. Look, you obviously want the audience to relate to Eli, he’s the typical sci-fi fan. The audience is SUPPOSED to see themselves in Eli. Now if you take that character and immediately have his love interest reject him for the alpha male jock that she has nothing really in common with. . . how do you expect your audience NOT to lash out at her character? You really just didn’t think that through if you didn’t see that coming.

  427. I’ve never posted here before but there was a link from over on Gateworld and I’ve lurked once or twice in the past.

    I’m sorry to hear that people are abusing the actors. They are a talented bunch and that is probably the thing keeping me interested in the show.

    What I find unfortunate is the showrunner response to all of this is to plainly state that you have no intention of pleasing fans.

    While it is definitely arrogant to lay the blame for unliked characters or directions at the feet of actors, it is equally egregious to ignore loyal viewers in favor of artistic principle.

    On the main issue behind those inappropriate comments (seriously ‘whore’? who talks like that in civilized company?)… I’ll be interested to find out if my suspicions are true: does Lt. Scott have a sex addiction? Now THAT would be an interesting story to explore especially as the body swapping starts in earnest…

    Hope you all can prove the naysayers wrong Joe!

  428. I haven’t followed this issue here on your blog but I will say that it annoys the heck out of me when:

    A. People aren’t civil online.

    B. The wrong people are accused of doing something wrong.

    Having said that, I understand why fans of the other shows are annoyed. Stargate has a big fanbase and is beloved by many and it was a show that could be enjoyed (for the most part) by the entire family.

    While I thought SG-1 went one season beyond where it should have, it seemed that Atlantis was ended prematurely. People loved Stargate and were hungry for more, but this isn’t what the existing fans were looking forward to.

    If the producers want to appeal to a completely new audience, fine, but I think this is the equivalent of taking the Indiana Jones franchise and then making the next film “dark and edgy.” Sure, it might be cool on its own, but it won’t be what people who are fans of the previous films (and are the ones that through their viewership allowed more to be made) are wanting to see.

    Personally, I’ll most likely be removing this from my DVR list as well after being a long time supporter/watcher of the franchise.



  429. I’m going to say one thing;

    If the fans attempt to ruin this show like they ruined “Enterprise”, I will find them, I will round up the lot of them, and I will force them to watch “Glitter” set to Beethoven’s 5th until they scream for mercy. And then, I will show it to them without the music.

  430. I’ve been viewing the SGU episodes on Hulu – my access to cable ($$$) does not exist anymore. So, I am watching after the episode airs and so I try to stay away from learning spoliers – I don’t even read the recap of the show.
    I’ve enjoyed the characters so far. In truth, I was looking for a strong female lead after being used to Sam, Weir and Teyla.
    I didn’t mind the sex scene in the storage room – it shows the drives of all of us. These people on this ship are shown for what we all would be given our involvement in that traumatic event. The show is dealing with the relationships (not a dirty word) with people under trying situations. People are going to have to work their roles out by trial and error. Everyone is doing a great job, especially Robert Carlyle. It’s not a cookie-cutter show – get used to it.
    Sorry Brian’s mom opted out of the blog – it must have been hurtful for her. Hang in there!

  431. Hello Joe!
    I wanted to express our support from Hungary. Keep up your work on SG:U. The new show is great. I hope it will run for 4-5 years. Let us entertain! 😀

  432. Almost 400 comments? I can’t scroll through all of them. But I saw you say this: “Trust me when I say that there’s no better way to guarantee a character’s long and fruitful stay on a show than to insist we get rid of them.”

    Hmmm. Then I insist you get rid of them all ….tout suite.

    I love each character for different reasons. No favorites for me have emerged.

    Thank you for speaking out. People don’t know personal boundaries anymore. It’s a shame.

  433. BEST RANT EVER!!! Thanks Joseph. I’m a fan of SG1, and SGA. To the actors and producers of SGU: Keep up the good work! Don’t let the bad comments slow you down. SGU is a good show in its own right.

    I’m sure the negativism will quiet down after some time. Unfortunately, sci-fi fans can be a double edged sword. I almost wish that the creators of the show had decided not to make it part of the Stargate franchise given the major change in style. Perhaps that would’ve avoided some of the ongoing controversy and fan backlash.

  434. on November 2, 2009 at 10:31 am | Reply Mr.Misanthrope

    Whether you let this through or not, you’ll read it. I’m not trying to flame or troll or hate or whatever the current popular term is, but I do disagree with you on a few points.

    For one, Chloe isn’t being called a “whore” for sleeping with Scott, it’s the situation it happened in. That being that she barely knew him, and he had just previously slept with another character. Now, I more take issue with Scott personally, but people’s annoyance with her stems additionally from two things. First, you had been setting it up like she liked Eli. What few people liked his character were hurt on his behalf, felt betrayed for him. Second, from what I’ve read people are more willing to let it slide for other characters because they actually serve a purpose on the ship. Her only role currently is “girl who’s dad died” and “girl who slept with a guy she just met.”

    Now, if you’re going to make a show “darker, edgier, and less moral” than you must expect your audience to also become “darker, edgier, and less moral” and be prepared for the criticisms you’ve opened yourself up for. You’ve marketed these women as sex objects. We’ve all seen the ad with a montage of the sex scenes while the blonde actress oozes about how the new show is “sexy”. We’ve all seen the Steppin’ Out cover where the girls are in revealing silver outfits, one of which is being zipped down. If this isn’t what you want people to think of the characters, then yell at whoever is in charge of marketing.

    You seem prone to using strawmen when describing people’s complaints with your show, portraying your view in as positive a way possible, while portraying the opposite, basically as irrational. The truth is, if there were less complaints about the violence in SG-1 and Atlantis, it’s because rarely if ever was that violence gratuitous. Rarely if ever was there any blood on the show, and the majority of those who died were aliens, either zapped with a freaking metallic snake gun that causes a person to dissappear rather than bleed or explode, or shot with bullets that caused them to shake amusingly as they *pinged* off their metal armor. It’s hard to even call it simulated because last I checked, those things don’t actually happen in real life. While on the other hand, sex does. The burning at the stake you mentioned is one of the few legitimately graphic scenes I can recall, and I’m sure had some complains, but as I recall it was immediately undone with a wave of a hand afterwards. It’s not the sex itself that upsets people, again it’s the context. As I watched the scene during the premiere, I felt as I did during the sex scene in the second Matrix film, I literally thought the exact same thoughts. “What… What’s the point of this? What does this have to do with anything? Is, is she going to get pregnant as a result of this? Because that’s the only way this scene could have any value to the plot at all. Are they just doing this to push the rating, and try cheaply to appear more adult?” It was cheap, it was gratuitous.

    And while I’ve got your ear -on the assumption you’re still reading this, and if you are, I thank you for acknowledging my opinion- the whole “amoral, unprepared, wrong-for-this-mission, possibly insane” thing doesn’t work in the Stargate setting for the simple fact that getting into the Stargate program was previously portrayed as a rigorous and difficult process, in which they’d have to undergo all sorts of psych exams. On your show, they literally just beamed a guy out of his house, and by his own words made him a part of the program that same day. Everytime someone did something a little irrational I found myself thinking “Why in the hell would the government give someone that unstable access to pretty much our biggest, most potentially Earth-shattering secret?” It makes little sense with any of the characters, but the absolute least sense with the military characters.

    Still though, really you can feel free to ignore all of my complaints, because the series lost me pretty much right after the premiere. It contains none of the elements that kept me watching the previous shows. If I want to see people argue in space, I can watch Red Dwarf. If I want to watch people promiscuously pursue sex in space, I can watch Lexx. If I want to see people fumble with technology they really shouldn’t on an alien ship, I can watch the first season of Atlantis. At this point, there are only three things I like about your show. Julia Benson’s fantastic figure, Lou Diamond Phillips being Lou Diamond Phillips, and the fantastic opening shot of the ship in the premiere. As signs are pointing to two of those three things not being around next season, I really have no reason at all to watch.

  435. I’d just like to say that I personally have very much enjoyed the show. Despite all these idiot comments from people on here I still read your blog. (Long time reader. Seldom commenter.) And personally the direction and growing up of this show makes perfect sense to me. It’s not another “Jaunt through the old oraphus.” It’s been a medium paced telling of the people stranded on a ship. Sounds perfectly logical to me. So far it’s been a lot slower and a lot more detailed than the other series. Which I have been a huge fan of. Personally I don’t see the sexism these people speak of. I see a lot of things handled with care. I personally think a lot of you are making something out of nothing. Battlestar Galactica showed the backside of a fully naked woman with red spine. Someone gets it on in a supply closet, a woman wears a tank top and a young woman showed maybe a little side boob in a romantic encounter. Someone. Please. Call the police! Stargate is growing up! The biggest irony to me is the writers have shown people being reprimanded for their behavior when its been found out. But Grey’s Anatomy is perfectly okay discussing topics more intimate than whats been shown on this show.. almost to the point of needing to be on skinemax; and it’s still top rated and on prime time! Please. Enjoy the fact that we have a Stargate show to watch. And how much more adult friendly it is. Honestly. I myself am enjoying this show more than just about any other out there right now. Eli Wallace referring consistently to old movie jokes. His diffuse for any situation almost seems to be humor. Which I relate to. Dr. Rush seems to be insane and humane at the same time. It’s all serious but fun to watch at the same time. All I’m saying is people should lighten up. The people that grew up on Stargate (me and a lot of my peers.) were all grown up now. The show has grown up. Lets just see where this adventure takes us.

  436. I like Every SGU episodes out there. each time when i see

    the premiere it feels so different in a good way.

    its a kind of show i dreamed of. really i am.

    so dont listen all the crap haters made.

    keep doing your best. Thank you!

  437. As a fan who is overall very disastified with the show, I feel like people are constantly labeling us.
    People are very easily labeling unhappy fans as:

    a) Are expecting Atlantis #2, and somehow act like angry children because we dont get what we want
    b) Have too short attention spans, and need gun fights every 10 minutes
    c) We are somehow not *smart* enough to understand or appreciate subtext and drama

    This is not the case. I have been enjoying watching and reading all kinds of Scifi all my life.

    I was actually looking forward to a refresh of the franchise with some new ideas and tone.

    I just don’t find this show entertaining, enjoyable or compelling.

    Posting discontent isn’t to hurt the people who make this show, it’s the opposite. It’s my sincerest wish this show takes on a new direction, and realizes its full potential. It has happened before, and can happen again. Just to don’t call us stupid for wanting something more than we are getting.

  438. Please ignore the idiots who are bashing SG:U. I have found it to be a very entertaining show that is quickly becoming one of my favorites and has taken it’s place in my heart with SG-1 and SG:A. The new feel and tone to the show is part of what makes the show, it’s not the same thing that (collectively) I watched for 15 years. Please keep up the good work.

  439. The first time I’ve even heard about this blog was today. But I’ll add my voice to the “keep it up” thrall. I love this show! Please don’t change anything based on feedback from 13 year olds on the internet. I’m hooked and this will be the first show I’ll watch on Sy Fy since the first season of BSG. Please keep it up and tell your cast how awesome I think they are all.

    Like Liquid Hot Super Awesome.

  440. Hi
    I am a long term Stargate fan. I remember loving the film, and getting very excited when SG1 came on tv. I watched all series of SG1, but Atlantis just didn’t do it for me. I was very interested to to read about SGU when it was first talked about. I must say, that I absolutely LOVE SGU.
    Its very well written, the acting is fantastic, and the DR Rush character is delicious. Is he a baddy or a goody? We have to wait and find out. The Eli character is great too, it’s almost like we are experiancing the adventure through his eyes. I cannot understand why people would leave idiot comments, but as a fan fiction writer I have my fair share of ‘flames’ so know how it feels. Please carry on exactly the way you are going with SGU. It is a far more adult show than SG1 or Atlantis, or that is how it seems to me. Maybe that is why it has elicited such ‘juvenile’ comments?
    Keep up the very good work!

  441. I didn’t know that so much fury had been unleashed. My, my people should chill out. I prefer SG-1 and SGA, but I do watch Stargate Universe weekly and I am liking it so far. I am getting interested in the characters and the darker tone of the show. I’m a “shoot it up and blow it up” action fan, but the SGU has just begun. I can appreciate the difference.

    All in all, I will watch every Friday faithfully, but I do hope that MGM will let you guys make more direct to dvd SG1 and SGA movies. I am having serious Joe Flanigan and Michael Shanks withdrawls………..

    Thanks for all your hard work. I rarely comment, but I do enojoy your blog.

  442. I’ve been reading all of these comments with interest. Especially the ones that say “If you don’t like the show, don’t watch it.”

    Like a lot of other people here, I’m a fan of the Stargate franchise. I’ve been giving SGU a chance and have watched the first 6 episodes in the hope that they are going to become another of my favourite shows. Unfortunately, it’s really not working for me. In a situation where the military personnel should be taking command, they’re failing to maintain any kind of the discipline we expect from those chosen to serve in the SCG. Col Young is excellent. The rest of the cast, less so. I couldn’t care less about the sex scenes, but two military officers shagging on base while on duty – no, I don’t think so. I’d rather be watching Grey’s Anatomy.

    Yes, I could stop watching the show. In discussions with my friends, we’re all coming to the same conclusions – this isn’t anything like SG1 or SGA, but it still isn’t gripping us. Of the 7 of us who were chatting last night, 2 have already given up and the remainder are about to. But before I go, I’d like to pass on my comments to the showrunners and other fans, so that they understand just why the audience numbers are falling.

    I live in Britain, where television is run slightly differently. Yes, we need audience figures, but they aren’t worked out in the same way as US figures are and they aren’t so immediately important. I’ve seen good US shows die because they don’t bring the numbers. So showrunners need to understand that if a show doesn’t grab us from the start, we’re going to watch something else. And I am *so* not grabbed by this and I know I’m not the only one.

    So, I’ll keep watching for another couple of weeks, but I’m not complaining, I’m just going to hope things pick up. After that, for all of you who tell me to go watch something else, I shall head for the SG1 DVDs and enjoy myself.

  443. I am definitely familiar with the less attractive side of fan culture, and I’m sad to hear that the cast members and their families have had such a rough time of it. I hope they have at least experienced the very supportive and caring side of fandom as well and won’t let the naysayers put them down.

    Anyways, the funny part is I never looked at SG1 or SGA as a family show until I saw it categorized that way online. I get it though – the light-hearted humor and fun sense of adventure makes it seem more family-friendly than a bleaker drama with greater emphasis on adult relationships. Even with the fighting/torture scenes, in the end there was a good message, the heroes won and seemed all better by the next episode.

    As for the sex scenes, I don’t have a problem with shows referencing adults having sex (human nature of course). I just don’t think that time needs to be spent showing it beyond the two entering closed quarters or something. My issue with the Scott/Chloe scene is that I was blindsided. I know the last moment in Air was supposed to be a cue, but I didn’t feel a strong romantic/physical connection yet between the two characters. My boyfriend – who by the way was never keen of the previous SGs, but “likes” this one (I consider that a victory!) – thought Chloe was the girl from the broom closet. And on that note, if people are having issues with Chloe…honestly, Scott is getting more action! I think my issue with Chloe is that she has still to grow from the first episode. I have no doubt that future episodes will do just that, I’m just saying that it’s been a bit slow imo.

    Aside from that, I’m loving all the conflicts between the characters, particularly the trio of Rush, Eli, and Young. I am also very partial to Greer – a nicely rounded and very intriguing and unpredictable character 🙂

  444. I agree any one who thinks this show is sexist is looking at this show the wrong the way and if they want SG1 or Atlantis go watch those DVD’s.

    I have to say I am ecstatic about this show I watch every show with an enthusiasm I haven’t had in quite some time about a scifi show. I ask you please do not change anything or listen to these negative people. I want more of what you are offering and ever one I know is thrilled about the shows direction as well.

  445. Okay, because this is the first time I’ve been linked to this blog(and I forget by who), I’ve gotta say….I’m sorry. I apoligize for the fanboys(and girls) who have nothing better to do than complain and whine about things they didn’t like, and juveniley, at that.
    I’m a 20-year-old female, and I gotta say…I didn’t find the kino-spying scene sexist at all. I mean, think about it, I wouldn’t put it past Eli or any guy that age to use technology like that for kicks and giggles.
    I actually don’t connect with most of the characters, I do, however, like T.J.–Several times it’s come down to the wire, and she’s come through–Most recently with “Water” and before when she drugged the envoy who was tearing apart Young’s body against orders. I do understand her issue with “I’m not supposed to be here.” though, which a few of my friends complained was “emo”(in fact, all of the characters have been labeled as “emo” at one point or another).
    Young is another favorite character of mine….he has so many issues, was literally thrown across a room, and is unfortunately now having to run a ship of very very very unhappy people(and, as Rush said, the Wrong people), and somehow keep them all alive and get them home.
    Greer…I know a lot of people hate Greer, I don’t blame them. I like him, and hope they keep him around(Ford was my favorite from the SG-A series, even after he was wraith-drugged), but Greer has his own way of doing things….which definitely does not fly with the military, but I have a feeling that if he was pressed, he’d do the right thing.

    I’m not a fan of the Scott/Chloe relationship…mainly because Eli was obviously interested in her first, and she eventually went for Scott…..And for many fans, I gotta say…..Eli=Us. Not only is the actor a big fan of the series, but the actual character was playing an RPG(I think) when O’Neill and Rush came to pick him up from his house. and by having Chloe choose Scott over Eli, you effectively jilted every guy who relates to Eli(on a fanboy level). So of course you’ll find guys who immediately yell “WHORE!” when she is sleeping with someone besides “them”.

    And about Brian…..I think some people are dumb enough to assume that he can do something about it, or he will consider it important enough that he’ll “take a message” and report it to the right people…..which is so very unfair, and idiotic on their part…so again, I’ll apologize for stupid fanboys.

    That said, even when a lot of people were booing the show on hulu(where I watch it, as I lack a TV) when the pilot episode came out, I was always interested. I thought to myself “I’ll ride this ride, it should be interesting.”
    And that’s what this show is going to be. An interesting ride.
    To the cast and crew: Keep up the good work, You do have some big shoes to fill, but you’ve definitely got the potential to do so. I’m happy with the show so far, and I look forward to seeing it come up in my Hulu queue each Saturday morning.
    (…that was long…oh well, it probably won’t be read anyways. Either way, I found a new blog to follow, yay!)

  446. on November 2, 2009 at 12:46 pm | Reply Catherine Slonksnis

    I think that when people saw the word “Stargate” for the new tv series they instantly deduced that it would be another amazing saga of the brilliant work that had preceded the upcoming series; thus when “Universe” was launched alot of people were either disappointed, angry, bored, or even shocked that it wasn’t all about Jack, Sam, Teal’c, Daniel, and the SGA cast. I’ll admit I was very wary and hesitant about how this would go because of the fact that we as fans are being thrown a new bone that has none of the taste we’ve been used to for years. But since I’ve followed SG1 and SGA through the years I knew by now to trust the writers and see what their amazing imaginations had concocted up this time ;). I’m still getting used to it but I have to say, they have done a phonomenal job of it and I know that it’s just going to get better. So with that being said (and let’s hunt down the bloggers who can’t play nice or at least be respectful in their negativity and let the Wraith handle them 😉 ) I had a question as far as guest appearances by SG1 members go. I know the show is not focused on them at all and some of the original cast may be busy with their own directions at times but; this is probably directed more to Amanda Tapping and Michael Shanks as I’m sure Richard Dean Anderson likes his quiet life with a hint of Stargate interruption lol..my question is, will we be able to see more of them when the Universe team uses the stones to contact Earth? I know we see Anderson/O’Neill alot but we’ve only seen Shanks/Jackson by video once and Tapping/Carter once in the first episode. Now I know Amanda’s busy with her own show “Sanctuary” (woohoo!) and I LOVE that she’s branched out and doing wonderfully, but from what I understand, their set is close by the “Universe” set and she’s hinted that she’s wanting to peek in on you guys from time to time. That being said, would you guys be able to pretty please ask her to guest star more often? And as for Michael, my guess is he pretty much hangs out there on the set all the time anyway to be with his friends, therefore could we please see him more too? Oh and as for Christopher Judge, I’m sorry we so can not forget you. Please show up too, we all miss seeeing you. Honestly I think he’s the only one on the original cast we have yet to see. So please show up, we miss you. Anyway these are just my thoughts and observations, I have no idea how you’re gonna get Amanda to change her hair color again just for a guest appearance, but maybe you could coax her with a piece of unsolved mathematical technology or something (I mean it in the nicest way Amanda 😀 ). Well I guess that’s the end of my observatory rantings, let me know what you guys think. You too Joe, please let me know what you think about this. Thanks!

    Catherine Slonksnis

  447. SGU = Stargate Grown Up
    Loving it!

  448. Hi Joe

    People just don’t like change do they? Give us the same, just package it differently. While I can’t say that I love SGU, I do like what you are trying to do. I have never understood those that have to tune in every week, just to pick a show to pieces and getting themselves all riled up. My answer to this has always been to change the channel or turn the TV off people. It is possible to live without the glowing rectangle in the corner of the room for a short period of time.

    Forget the nay-sayers. I personally think that anyone that tries something different, rocks!

  449. Coming late to this party (as usual) but just want to say “Thanks, Joe. This so needed to be said.”

    I’m often appalled at the small but loud number of people on the internet who confuse internet anonymity with immunity. It’s inconceivable that people either cannot separate the actor from the character or who hold the actor to blame for the tone or direction of a series. Similarily how they hold the writers and producers responsible for the actions of the network. And if a poster does object or dislike the direction or tone of a show, or a scene, or whatever, they say things in postings in a manner and language that they would never use to that person’s face. It’s cowardly.

    I also find it funny, and a little sad, when ‘demands’ are made to changes in the show, when anyone who reads your blog knows that season 1 is essentially ‘in the can’.

    I believe in only posting either postive comments or constructive observations — if I didn’t like SG:U I wouldn’t be watching it and certainly would not be spreading bile on the internet. But I’m actively being seduced and really coming to like it alot.

  450. Joe~

    I am an occasional reader of your blog and up ’till now, I have never commented.

    I have commented on the forums though and very respectfully as well. I am sorry the actors are being bullied or berated by fans.It must be incredibly hard. I have specifically praised the actors in my few recent posts and I have also voiced my feeling for them as they are somewhat “stuck” right now as this show finds it’s footings, or is even renewed. For example~I think Robert Carlysle is a brilliant actor; and have enjoyed his work in several films.

    My problem is however with the concept and writing of the show. There is an old saying “Don’t bite the hand that feeds you”. Those words go a loooong way here. I get that all of you in creative power on the franchise felt you needed a break. But what you didn’t seem to care about was the enormous fan base and a solid viewership for years to come.

    I get offended as a fan when you say things like~if we as fans think SGU will be anything like SG1/SGA; we will be waiting a long time. And other somewhat cocky comments as if we are lucky to be graced with the creative charm of the creative and production teams.

    Please realize the passion the fans have. The dedication to watch the shows and also to purchase many many after market products out there. That is what butters the bread of everyone in the Stargate franchise.

    I truly wished you had done more and better research into what your fans wanted. Focus groups as well are worth their weight in gold. My dream may only be pipe dream~but I truly wish there would have been a place for all the shows. A way to have a few more seasons of SG1/SGA and make a gradual, natural segway to SGU. Then just maybe there would be more acceptance and not all this crazy hostility and nasty comments.

    I hope things do go well but more than that, I will eternally miss SG1 and SGA~I wish that in the future there could be a way to have some story lines in SGU to respect and honor the shows that led the way for it.

  451. Reading some of the comments complaining about the sex scenes, such as mallozzi described in this rant, I have become pretty damn disturbed by the emotional immaturity of many SG-1 fans. As someone who was a stargate fan until the last few seasons (although I never really got into Atlantis) I’m becoming ashamed to associate myself with this fanbase. Is this some kind of screwed up American aversion to the portrayal of physical intimacy that I simply don’t get? I don’t understand how you can be angered or offended by nudity or sex. especially when it has been so fleeting as in SG:U. Hell, I never even really noticed them until I read outraged comments on Gateworld.

    It’s ridiculous. I guess some of these people are just that nerdy that they feel awkward watching a more adult series.

    I’m enjoying the show so far, much more than I did most of Atlantis. But it still has its flaws. I really wish the producers could find some fresh writing talent to really give this show a new edge and originality. From what I gather, most of the writers involved are Stargate veterans. That’s fine, but some new blood would make things more interesting.

  452. @Michael – I agree with you on both points!

    @Gary – Reading your post reminded me of one of the reasons that I was disappointed that Atlantis was cancelled. The characters were so likable and complex, but we never saw them fully evolve as much as we could have as people, and in their relationships with one another. I instantly thought of Teyla and John while reading your post.

    SGA started with them for me. I love all of the characters from the first 2 seasons as well (especially Beckett), but I was always captured by the Teyla/John relationship. I think that for the first 2 seasons it developed pretty nicely. In season 2, we saw John tell Teyla that she could call him by his first name, and then he quickly kissed her because turning into a bug caused him to lose his inhibitions. And, that was it.

    For the next 3 1/2 years the progress was her calling him John. They never had real kiss, and I think that Kanaan is a nice guy, but Teyla and Sheppard are soul-mates. I mean, even Torren is named Torren John, and not Torren Kanaan, which says something about the Teyla/John relationship to me. Okay, I guess I’ll give it a rest now.

    Peace & Love,


  453. […] show felt like Battlestar Galactica and I honestly didn’t know what I was watching. From Joseph Malozzi’s blog: SGU is NOT SG-1 or Atlantis.  It’s a different show in terms of tone and characters.  If […]

  454. I’m not offended by the fact that there is sex in the shows, I’m offended by the fact that it serves absolutely no purpose.

    Every time I watch an episode of SGU, I’m reminded of a scene in SG-1 episode 200, where some one is pitching a teen drama version of SG-1, complete with unprovoked emotions, and gratuitous sexuality. SGU seems like some one saw that scene, and didn’t get that it was supposed to be making fun of those types of shows. And, before I upset anyone (seriously, what do you expect to see on the internet?) let me just clarify that I have nothing against the actors, I think blame lies squarely with the writers and producers for thinking that we are all so dumb that this is what we want.

    When I first heard the concept for SGU I was incredibly excited at a chance to see further exploration of the Stargate Universe with Humans left out of their element, and having to fend in alien environments. It turns out that this show has nothing at all to do with Stargate, and is just another teen drama, trying to use the popularity of SG-1 and SGA to latch on to a pre-existing audience.

    In the middle of your post you made the assertion that SGU is NOT SG-1 or SGA. That’s good to know, because it means that I can go ahead and stop watching SGU, and remove it from my DVR schedule.

  455. While I agree on your statements, calling me (as a viewer and Stargate fan) an idiot won’t get you my attention towards your series.

  456. Welcome to the internet, sadly you seem to have no idea how to deal with it. Not only that but you are trying to use the over the top behaviour of a few idiots to defend your self against or just out right dismiss some genuine criticism.

    I mostly talk about this show on a mature adult gaming forum free of trolls and the Lt boob’s has been thrown around there. Not as an insult to the actress but as an insult to the writing and directing of the show in terms of it’s female characters. No one on that forum can remember the characters name, not a one of us could think of it with out having to go look it up yet i’m pretty sure every one who’s watched the show knows who is being referenced when “lt boobs” is used. That is a failing in character development and a symptom of the awful miss handling of the female character development at this point of the show.

    To turn around and say that a name used, born out of the fault of your show, invalidate the argument about your awful treatment of the female character so far is such a huge cop out that it’s gob smacking.

    Mostly we talk about her as hardcore GI jane… just like we talk about doctor GI gane, GI joe, Crazy GI joe… i’ll leave you to figure out who we mean by those remarks. This is an attack at the rather one dimensional character’s we’ve tended to see… which is some what forgiveable at this stage since it’s hard to flesh out such a wide cast in the time you’ve had. The problem is that you’ve not done it well, even more so in terms of the shows female characters. The key difference is that most of the male characters we can name and use the nickname to poke fun at the show… with some of the female character it’s the honest to gods truth that they’ve been treated so poorly that it’s hard to recall what they are meant to be called.

    Now, for all that, I am, and the people of the forum, are mostly enjoying the show so far. It has it faults but most are forgiveable for what it is doing right. But you really do need to sit up and take notice of the fact that you’ve made some rather huge mistakes in the handling of the female characters.


    That article at io9 by Meredith Woerner addresses most of the issues in that regard better than I feel I’m able. It’s well written and thoughtful and it is not setting out on a witch hunt it is just questioning the roll of the female characters in the show so far.

    I’d also like to make it clear that this is not a problem with the use of sexuality or nudity. In fact it’s was only the other day that I had a long convection over the use of nudity and sex in video games. I’m not sure how aware of you are of that part of the media but a game out this week by bioware called Dragon Age is an attempt to make an mature RPG and they view that as in the inclusion of sex and sexuality in character and story.

    I love telling stories and games are one of the mediums in which I like to do it. I think they are powerful and useful and have an ability to explore ideas in new and unique ways as well as present characters and relationships in vastly complex and deeply interesting interactions. But unlike film or TV sex is something that is not often touched on. The prudish sensibility of people seems to heighten when these things become some what interactive and the perception of games being children’s toys instead of a valid artistic medium for telling stories doesn’t help.

    In Dragon Ages case you gain a group of characters that will travel with you and fight along side you. Not only that but they are character that you have relationships with. The way you talk to them and the kind of actions you take in the game world it’s self can have an impact on how they react to you. Bioware are the masters of this kind of very compelling set up and they feel that romance is an integral part of it and as such in a mature story so can sex. And not just in romantic way, if sex is going to exist then you have to accept that it can gratuitous. Now so long as that adds something to a story or character i don’t see the problem.

    The point is that if you are dealing adult relationship then sex is a vital part of it. But why show it? well in terms of Dragon Age my view is that it’s meant to help deepen the connection of the player to that character. You’ve seen a moment between the person you are playing and that character that does not exist between you and the other member of the party and that can be exploited for emotional response.

    The long shots of GI janes boobs did none of that. We get nothing useful out of the long shot that could not have worked with a short one. Added to the fact that a hell of a lot of people can’t even remember her name and view her character as flat and lifeless thus far, well, you have the core of your problem. This is unlike the sex scene with the daughter and GI joe, that has validity and great story use. Sadly it also brings back up the issue’s about the daughters character over all. Now the problem is that if she is meant to be deeply insecure and flawed then fine, great, flawed people are more interesting. It just so happens that the female characters all seem to be overly flat, purely sexual, all good looking (it’s ok to be flawed if you’re good looking) and flawed and pretty much useless in a rage that isn’t even close to what we are seeing for the male characters.

    People are not perfect and we respect that you are trying to show that but so far the female character imperfections… which don’t include not being goodlooking, or overweight one can’t help but notice… feel overwrought with out being backed up by being interesting or even very much used.

    So please, dismiss my views and arguments because I some times call a character, who’s name i can’t remember who you have so far only used as an overtly sexual and rather one dimensional object with whom the story could easily (and frankly might have been better off with out) have existed, lt boobs… ‘cus that is just an insult and upsetting to the actress right? you know the one who talked about how they are 100% natural on twitter? since she clearly has no sense of humour about it at all! (done a better job of dealing with it than you have so far too) it can’t at all just be a jab at your writing and at the awfulness that has been the character and her part in the show so far? nope…. a few trolls get up your noes and suddenly we all have no validity for calling a character by the nickname you all but gave her.

    In the end I’m living in hope that you can pull the mess that is the female characters together because otherwise I’ve been really enjoying the show.

    Thank you for your time

  457. Hi Joe. It would seem that the concept has gotten a little off topic. StarGate SG-1 was all about the STARGATE. STARGATE Atlantis was more about an ancient city in another galaxy.
    In both shows, it has always been about the STARGATE.
    STARGATE Universe even though I do like the characters, and I do appreciate the hard work that goes into the production of a single episode, still lacks something. Maybe I am toooooo stupid to get the point that you are trying to make with SG-U. Hopefully you can change something to make it a hit like with STARGATE ATLANTIS. (Speaking of SGA will there be a movie in the near future same as SG-1) Anyway. please give it some thought. And try not to take it personally. I would like to SGA comeback. BUT……..

  458. I have watched every episode of SG1 and Atlantis plus all the movies going back to the days when I would be sure to be home on Fridays to see SG1 on Showtime and actually subscribed to Showtime just to be able to watch SG1.

    I have been a faithful fan the entire fifteen years.

    I READ your blog and understand that you are not interested in what folks like me think or want so I will not attempt to tell you my views except that this new show is a disappointment to me and I have tried very hard to find reasons to desire to watch it. Maybe after all the essentials of life have been found like air, water, food, clothing, power, minerals, vitamins, proteins, carbohydrates and fats ( I think that is most of them) and will likely cover the first season but a story will need to be found to tell at some point. Up til now nothing has happened that I have found interesting, and remember folks watch TV to be entertained and generally an interest of something motivates a viewer to watch. Please give me a motivation before long. I have five DVRs and five hundred hours of record time so I will wait awhile longer but I ( and maybe a large part of your longest termed fans) will be lost if something interesting does not happen.

    I know shut up and go away, my kind are not needed anymore.


  459. Keep up the good work. Wouldn’t touch the previous two series with a ten-foot pole. Lame, lame, and again lame. This new series — I truly enjoy it. Carlyle is excellent, and the rest of the cast really steps up. This series, if you keep at it in this vein, truly has a chance at being memorable. The previous two series are for fanboys and people who suspend their disbelief a little too easily.

  460. Well, I don’t know if anybody else has expressed this, because I don’t have the time to read 400+ comments, but I only have a problem with two of the things you mentioned, Joe:

    First, referring to a scene of gratuitous sex between characters as a “romantic situation” really bugs me. There was nothing shown beforehand, and there’s been nothing shown afterward to establish a romantic connection between those two, just the one sex in a broom closet scene (not the most romantic of locales for romance, either). The only romance that I’ve really seen is occasional moments of caring and support between Eli and Chloe (which unfortunately are being undermined by the Lt. Scott character).
    I don’t mind sexual experiences being portrayed in shows like this per se. But PLEASE don’t make it one-dimensional. If you’re going to define “romantic” character development in this show by showing ONLY the physical side of it, then I am concerned for the direction of this show.

    Second, the fact that the Lt. Scott character is sleeping around flies in the face of your character development. Yes, he got involved sexually with a woman as he was planning on becoming a priest. But the part that doesn’t make sense is his lack of remorse. He was seen crying and desperately seeking forgiveness in the flashback, but now not only is he sexually open to multiple partners, but he seems to have lost any sense of remorse. That flies in the face of the character we saw in the flashback.
    I have hope that you’re going to resolve this apparent contradiction in his character development. But at the moment, I find it unsettling.

    This is the first time I’ve commented on your blog, Joe. But I hope you don’t take this post personally. I believe I posted in a rational and mature manner to express real concerns about not just content but also realistic character-development and continuity.

    I hope you take my comments into consideration. Hell, there’s over 400 comments here. I hope you even bother to read them! Heh… 🙂

  461. By the way:

    I just read io9’s “Did SGU’s Women Get Lost” etc., and must say that it is pure *BS*.

    If you take a two-dimensional sci-fi program, with two-dimensional cartoon-like characters, some of whom are “tough” female characters — because they are “established” as such in the most obvious and superficial ways — and compare it with this new series’ three-dimensional naturalistic (and realistic) treatment — which is an order of magnitude above earlier “Stargate” shows — there is no comparison. The new series, if it shows one female character in underwear, is still miles and miles beyond the previous shows BECAUSE THE ACTORS PLAYING THOSE CHARACTERS CAN ACTUALLY ACT.

    Nobody in the previous Stargate shows could act. The fanboys who are irate at the new show — go figure, because it’s actually good — are pissed because they are being confronted with something slightly above the sixth-grade level, and they can’t deal with it. Actual acting? Cor! Female characters who don’t overextend themselves early on in some obvious screenplay attempt to appear as mythical heroines? Perish the thought.

    It really makes you wonder what good the internet is, if after all is said and done, a clearly superior show in the form of Stargate: Universe is tripped up by fanboys organizing their feminine outrage when someone hands them foie gras instead of a bucket of the usual slop, then fault that foie gras for being French.

  462. Hey Joe, I just wanted to say to you and your team that the show is phenomenal. Its sad to see that supposed adults who claim to be SG fans have neither the attention span to enjoy an amazing Sci-Fi serial nor the maturity to understand the context of physical intimacy in a situation such as those facing the Destiny crew.

    No matter what they say, the new show is better than what came before it and the writing and acting is brilliant.

  463. Well said! The fact that people are willing to bash anythong on the internet because they feel anonymous has irked me for years.

    Everyone has different tastes and opinoins. There’s nothing wrong with that. But the way some people go about their differing opinons is just ridiculous.

    Although SGU hasn’t been doing it for me, that’s a problem with ME not with the show. The script, acting, ideals, everything is wonderful and I’m glad so many people are enjoying it.

    To those who are finding SGU isn’t for them, take a leaf out of my book: let SGU fans enjoy the show without having deal with idiocy and rudeness.

    Rememberthe grade-school saying: “If you don’t have something nice to say, don’t say anything at all.”

  464. Howdy,

    Just wanted to say I enjoy the show, and look forward to the rest of the season.

    Hopefully you can tell the actor who had bad experiences with Twitter (and his mom) that the kind of people who engage in that behaviour are an unfortunate occurrence in ANY internet forum (You can easily find people insulting each other’s intelligence/heritage/sexual orientation/brand loyalty about things that aren’t even really subjective like a video card, or a guitar…!) and are generally understood to be… for lack of a better word… deficient.

    In fact anyone who thinks they can win an argument online, even when in the right, is sadly underestimating the power of idiocy.


  465. I don’t think yelling about people on the internet is a good way to go about things.

    More importantly, why does the Colonel keep acting so retarded?

  466. Hey Joe, I’ve only been here on this blog once before and I must say that I’ve enjoyed reading the insights into the production that you’ve posted here. I must sincerely apologize that I don’t really follow your blog though I think your efforts here are commendable.

    I am only one of the many SG fans and so I can’t speak for everyone but on my part, I truly enjoyed the first few episodes of SGU and if the show continues on its current flow, I will then continue to enjoy it. You are very right. SGU is NOT SG1 or SGA and that is a fact I’ve tried to impart to many other fans and wasted a lot of breath telling people about. I am really annoyed with so-called fans who profess to support the Stargate franchise and yet keep bombing SGU and refusing to support this new series which is still in its infancy. I also get really miffed with people who CONSTANTLY compare SGU with SG1 and SGA, and not only that with BSG, Farscape, Star Trek: Vogayer and the countless other sci fi shows out there.

    Anyway, I commend SGU for taking a new direction and for breaking off completely from the typical style which SG1 and SGA had. SGU is much more grounded in reality in terms of the harshness of reality that we face in real life whereas I find SG1 and SGA to be a bit more fantastical sometimes and less ‘serious’ in that way. PLEASE keep doing what you’re doing and I just hope that you won’t let negative “fan” comments trouble all of you.

    To the cast members who take the effort to connect with fans, thank you so much for that human touch that you as busy people still manage to convey. To you Joe, thank you for writing this rant. I hope it will bring awareness to some “fans”.

    PS: Greetings from a hardcore loyal (10 years!) fan from Malaysia – 10 years because Stargate SG1 was only aired in Malaysia in 1997.

  467. When, IF EVER, will this show get interesting? As an “original” fan of Stargate Franchise (started watching SG-1 on Showtime Sci-Fi Friday way back when) I understand it takes time for shows to develop.

    Stargate Atlantis had several bumps in the road but eventually found a groove and built an audience.

    So far, Stargate Universe is stuck in the mud. This ensemble cast is too large, no charisma, once again WAY to many Canadian “hacktors”, and worst of all the scripts (except for the Pilot) have no juice. Boring, tedious, dull, dreary, tiresome, lackluster.

    C’mon, if you are going to rip-off the 60’s show Lost in Space at least make it exciting, fun, scary, awesome, etc……….

  468. hello. i’m a casual SG fan (i watched the other shows here and there) and have watched all the SGU episodes thus far. i know it’s TV and you have to fill 42 minutes, but please pick up the pace a bit, and stop making Eli the kid look like the smartest person other than Rush. He’s just a kid with no real job. Thanks!

  469. Fan of SG1 and SGA. HUGE fan of SGU – I like it much better than the others. Please keep posting!

  470. @das: Spot-on about both misconceptions. Neither could be further from the truth! And I’m truly sorry for the vampiric ordeal. You have my sympathies. My sparkling, sparkling sympathies.

  471. @ jeffoconnor – Thank you. I knew someone would have sympathy for me. 🙂 The movie wasn’t THAT bad, but it was like a cross between 21 Jump Street, and an ABC Afterschool Special…with vampires…and NOT with Johnny Depp.


  472. […] Mallozzi, a Stargate sorozatok veterán írója és producere a saját blogján hosszabban, ráadásul kevésbé diplomatikusan nyilvánult meg az ügyről. „ELÉG AZ IDIÓTA […]

  473. Case and point: SGU is the only SG show that’s kept my attention for more than the first gate shot. Congrats to the actors for presenting (in my opinion) a well rounded and relatable cast of characters, to the writers for such a smart show, and to anyone who needed a cheering up after dealing with a bunch of brats.

  474. Joe,

    I applaud your defense of your cast and crew and eagerly wait and watch with the rest of the shows viewers to see where this show goes. I an deeply intrigued by the plot of the story, in my opinion some of the acting could be better but as i look back at other favorites of mine there were a lot of growing pains in the first seasons there as well. The minor issues that people have made into violent fissures in the content of the show are unimportant to the plot of the show and i for one will continue to watch as long as SyFy will carry the show.

    Please don’t kill off anyone because the viewers demand it, the masses are flawed and need to be entertained so i sit back on my couch and and leave you to show us our destiny! (yes I went there)


  475. Hi Joe,

    I’m not sure if you’ll get this far in all the comments posted thus far, but I felt compelled to add my 1p (I’m from the UK so I don’t have 2 cents).

    I believe that SGU is already far more compelling than either SG-1 which was fun and hopeful or SGA which was gung-ho. SGU feels closer to real life than its parents. It’s complete escapism for me to sit down and get sucked into a world that presents real problems and that don’t have people leaping into the breach with instant fixes. The sense of spinning plates to stay alive in an unfamiliar environment is great. Granted, as time passes, I’m sure this disparate crew will master their craft but I certainly like that they didn’t immediately leap to.
    I love that, so far, the characters are staying true to their personalities and aren’t being eroded for the sake of pandering to fan wish fulfilment. By all means keep writing Rush as the conflicting complexity of borderline madness, he’s awesome to watch in action. Keep Eli doing and saying the things that we at home would do in those situations, its fantastic when he appears to mirror what I’m thinking. As for Cloe etc. I actually think her character is very real. A young women dealing with enormous stresses and emotions trying to deal with a sense of uselessness? Excellent stuff. So far I think the story being crafted is masterful.

    Keep up the good work, stay true to your vision and resist conforming to vocal minorities! I, for one, look forward to the journey ahead.

  476. Psst, Shadow Step. Want to buy a grammer checker? 😉

  477. I felt compelled to post here…

    First let me say I’m determined to give SGU a fair go, because I like the concept of the Destiny and its misssion, and hey, I love anything Stargate. That said, I’m rather confused about why you all decided to take this series in such a different direction? Of course, after so many years, this is going to alienate some of your original audience.

    Stargate is a franchise with a well developed and long standing style and pattern that audiences have come to expect. SGU does NOT fit this pattern. Audiences see the word Stargate and have expectations, which are not met. Perhaps this would have been solved by not labelling this new show with the word Stargate.

    There would be two major reasons for adding the Stargate label:
    1. To indicate the story is set in the same fictional ‘universe’
    2. to bring over fans of SG1 and SGA

    The problem is the fans of SG1 and SGA liked it for its style, which has not continued in SGU, so many feel tricked, if thats the word.

    SGU certainly feels like you took the concept of Lost in Space put it in the Stargate Universe with the cast of Battelstar Galactica [Rush=Baltar] (and not even the awesome original version).

    With such a large cast of characters its hard to learn all their names let alone identify with them or their issues.
    Hence people identifying them by easy to remember characteristics.

    With regards to the sex scenes, I have no issue with them existing in the series, the problem was their lack of context.
    So far you have shown Lt Scott as a devout Christian yet one who happily sleeps with two women (casually, there are no established relationships) in a matter of days for apparently no reason. Added to which its not like woman no 1 left/died/broke it off before he shacked up with no. 2

    As has been said before Eli is the character most SG fans identify with. We liked the idea of him and Chloe, they were cozy, hugging, comforting etc. Now, suddenly, after this Lt Scott comforts her once she sleeps with him? WTF?

    It just strikes me that there needs to be something memorable to distinuish each character in the audiences minds. Star Trek had a large cast yet those names were easy to remember. SGU, I have no idea who all the military and scientists are, or what they do.

    Hope this is useful :S

  478. on November 3, 2009 at 4:31 am | Reply Adam S. Guy from Australia

    this is my first time on this blog so don’t kill me if i say anything wrong. i can’t believe some people, getting at the actors for what their character does, it’s just wrong. also just wanted to say about the sex scenes, they pretty much kill the show for me but they do have their place in the show and the character development and thats why i’m willing to give the show a chance for a couple more episodes. i’m trying to be one of the people that like sgu and to be alongside it but the problem is that i see that stargate is heading in a new direction and like the destiny if it leaves you behind then your left behind for good and i’m begining to start to feel like i’m left behind. at least there will always be sg1 and sga to watch and rewatch

  479. on November 3, 2009 at 4:43 am | Reply Adam S. Guy from Australia

    just read another comment in this blog about someone dislikeing charaters in sg1 such as carter, jack and danial and that sgu is a relef to them. all i can about those kind of people(without being a compleate arse) is that they don’t even diserve to have a clue of what stargate is if they can’t even respect sg1 or sga

  480. First, I’d just like to say, I’m really enjoying the show so far.
    2, I completely agree with this post, and not just for this topic, but other shows and issues.
    Finally, I LOVE Robert Carlyle’s character! Nicholas Rush is by far my favourite. 🙂 Keep up the great work!

  481. In some ways, all the forums and blogs are like being signed into Xbox Live, you try and play a game, try to enjoy yourself, but you are deafened by all the 12 year olds swearing and shouting, for no reason other than they can.

    Forums and blogs are the same deal, there will always be morons who write nonsense in an attempt to get some attention, who think that because they are on the internet, the normal rules of civility dont apply.

    What you should do Joe, is pick the worst offender, say, the person who called Chloe a whore (Chloes lovely, she’s just lost her father, leave her alone). Then you should go to their house, and interview them about the show. I’d bet that if you were face to face with said moron, you wouldnt hear the word whore once.

    I for one am loving the show. Its the best new scifi show i’ve seen in years! Character development! Superb acting! Excellent writing! Having seen every episode of (takes a breath) Star Trek (ALL of them, all series) SG1, Atlantis, and a slew of sci fi shows over the years (i didnt bother with Andromeda), its really refreshing to watch something like SGU, where some elements are quite unpredictable. Sure there are predictable elements to it, (i think we all assumed SOMETHING would happen to Scott and Young on the Ice Planet), but because these characters are so well written, and the acting is so good, it doesnt matter, it becomes more interesting to watch them deal with a situation than it is to actually watch them overcome it.

    You’ve got a great cast, a great show, and i cant wait to see “Earth”. Oh, and big up to Brian J Smith, he ROCKS!

  482. I’ve been a fan of SG-1 and SGA, a really devoted fan of both shows. I was very dissapointed to see SGA cancelled and replaced by SGU. But hubby said to give SGU a chance, since I didn’t want to watch SGA either. Well, so I did watch 4 epis of SGU… I really dislike it very much. I just don’t get it. Stargate is about adventure and fun, it’s about a team that advances human knowledge about the universe. SGU is just one crisis after another, and the only two characters that I found remotely likable are Col. Young and the blonde medic girl (sorry, don’t remember the name). I honestly doubt I’ll be tunning in to watch epi 5.

    That said, using strong offensive words to criticise the show and the actors is not fair (they’re just doing their JOB, you know, they do need to make a living like the rest of us) – they are working with the material TPTB & the writers provide them. It is what it is. The choice is yours, fans – watch if you like it, or tune out if you don’t. Anger is totally counterproductive.

  483. @Horace Smiley,
    you didn’t like SG1 and SGA?, your prerogative,
    but to put down fans, such as myself who LOVE SG1/SGA (SG1 more than SGA) well now who is bashing whom?

    a 15 year run (SG1-10yrs, SGA-5yrs) is an impressive long time to call the cast of SG1/SGA bad actors!!!

    You may very well be a person who enjoys the likes of BSG, and other dark “all about relationships” IMO NON-SCIFI” type so called SciFi, and that’s why you would like SGU and hate the other 2.

    Well as I always say, the proof is in the numbers, let’s see if SGU can top the number 15 🙂

    Seems to me it must have been good enough to have such a loyal and very large fandom, SG1, 10 years, tell me another SciFi series that has ever lasted that long, WHAT? you can’t come up with any??????

  484. Whether you tell a stroy through action or drama is really a matter of taste. Therefore, it is almost impossible to argue about it in a sensefull way. Switching from action to drama after about 15 years or so must bring foreward some controversy. In that I am really surprised that the producers did not see it comming and are wondering about all the negative critics and comments. Obviously there will be immature comments from immature people. That’s just how some of us are. Still as a producer this should show you that something is wrong with what you did. So, ignore comments like “this caracter is a whore” or “lt. boobs” (I like her charakter btw). They are useless and by no means what’s the problem with the show. It’s also not about too much sex, too much violence, displaying women in a wrong light or anything like this. Ok, in all honesty to me the sex scene seamed like you had no better idea. I just fail to see how that helps developping carackers or telling story. The actual act of sex just does not tell anything at all. I guess that’s why porn is better without a story 🙂 But again this is rather a matter of taste than an actual problem. And it has certainly not come to a point where you can’t watch the show with your children anymore as some have mentioned.

    Since the first stargate movie throughout SG-1 and SGA it has always been about discovery and exploration. Something that led to a greater understanding about the human race and it’s place and role in the galaxy. Be that told as a drama or action is irrelevant. SGU however, has left all of this behind. Besides the relationship problems between the crew-members there is nothing going on. There just is no story and certainly no connection to the entire stargate history. I am sad to say that therefore any real stargate fan must be disapointed. If you think SGU still is what it should be, clearly you just enjoy a drama show in general. That is fine in it self. But you must admit that the very essence of what made stargate what it is, is now just gone. This could be any crew on any other ship in any other show… It might as well take place in Beverly Hills 90210. For the show it would actually make little to no difference! So, are you really surprised where this negativity is comming from?

    I am a rather patient viewer. If the entire first season is about building caracters I am still fine with it. However, it looks like there will be no change whatsoever. If by season two there still is nothing about discovery and exploration then, like many other sg-fans, I will just have to stop watching the show all toghether. Sure you could say the show belongs to the producers and they can make with it whatever they want. I am also sure that no matter what story they tell, there will always be tons of viewers. Let’s face it, they know how to tell any story even if it is only a relationship darama between some people. But if you continue the stargate saga in any way, then why would you want to lose all connection to its very essence? It makes no sense to me. And apparently it makes no sense to many others too. A lot of my friends who whatched SG-1 and SGA already stopped watching SGU.

    It seams you are shifting from a show for stargate fans to a show for drama lovers. To any real stargate fan that is a punch in the face. You are essentially just changeing the viewer base. And therefore obviously some will defend the show while others will rant about it, as they are no longer in the same group. It seams actually quite obvious. If you read through the comments on fanpages or even here, often you will read either: “I did not like SG-1 and SGA, but I love SGU” or you will read something like: “I hate SGU, before it was better.”

    As a long time stargate fan I cant quite help it. I am disapointed. And it has nothing to do with the cast either. I actually think they are doing a rather good job and I see a lot of potential. Ok, there are details like Eli is capable of solving a millennia old math problem yet does not recoginze it as such… That doesn’t make him exactly a math-geek. A bit more tech-talk like in the old days would go a long way. Even if you insist on keeping it a drama. Then again you lost the connection to the essence of stargate. So, it’s not that surprising that there is no more tech-talk. All the science which was in there from the start is gone anyway. If there weren’t a circle with a blue event horizon, you would not even recoginze it as a part of the stargate story. Being a science fiction fan I sure miss the science. Unfortunately there is no other space exploration show left. In that regard it seams we are already left with nothing. Actually I am surprised that not more people seam to see this problem and so many seam to love that now it’s nothing but another drama telling.

    For what it’s worth I would like to thank you for the 15 wonderfull years we had so far. No matter what you make with this show you already gave us a lot of fun and quality entertainment and for that I am thankful. I still wish you all the best and good luck with the show. I tried to hold back as much as I could. So, I hope this rant was not too upsetting for any of the porducers or actors who might read it. (ok, I don’t really expect they will read it. It’s not like they rewrite everything because of one fan 🙂 )

  485. Joe, a question…

    Those who are being verbally abusive to the actors and expressing the most extreme sentiments against Universe

    Do they seem to be folks new to the franchise, or more like disgruntled SG1/SGA fans?

    The former, I’d think, would be a bigger concern, the latter could just be folks with an agenda and/or an ax to grind. Any thoughts? (I do understand if you would prefer not to stir things up again.)


  486. re:
    Joe, a question…

    Those who are being verbally abusive to the actors and expressing the most extreme sentiments against Universe…

    Do they seem to be folks new to the franchise, or more like disgruntled SG1/SGA fans?

    The former, I’d think, would be a bigger concern, the latter could just be folks with an agenda and/or an ax to grind. Any thoughts? (I do understand if you would prefer not to stir things up again.)


    Are you implying that people loving the new direction of SGU are new fans to the SG franchise? i.e. not former SG1/SGA fans, and if that’s the case it’s a good thing, cause who needs fans of the former 2 shows? if they don’t like the new Universe direction who needs them anyway.

    Big mistake, the fans of SG1/SGA kept the show on the air for 15 years. It would be bad business to not want them to also come on board with SGU?

    case of “cutting off your nose to spite your face”?

  487. Joe, let me first say I’m so sorry that there are those of us that can’t act like mature and responsible adults. Please know there are many of us who are reasonable and responsible adults who thoroughly enjoy your blog and are extremely grateful that you provide it to us/we to read and digest.

    Let me provide you some of my background:

    I’ve been reading your blog for about a year now catching up on as many of your past entries as time would offer me. I’ve always stayed in the background (guess they call it lurking lol) taking pleasure in reading what you have to say and your description of the writing/production processes. I became a Stargate fan about a year ago when I found I had a great amount of time on my hands as a result of being diagnosed with MS. I had always wanted to watch SG-1 so I bought the whole 10 season DVD set as well as all the Atlantis DVD sets when they became available and the two movies. Each day I’d watch four or five shows. I also took the liberty to print out the wiki’s on character/show description/writer and director information. This helped me get a good understanding of each and every show I watched. For a guy in his mid 50’s all I can say is wow, the Stargate franchise is the best thing to come my way in my lifetime to date. Thank you, thank you all for your contributions and my entertainment. Its been glorious to say the least.

    I’ll be honest with you though, this latest segment of Stargate,Stargate Universe, has been slow to get off the ground with me. It is, at least to me, vastly different then what I had been used to with SG-1 and Atlantis. I will say its growing on me but by far SG-1 is still my number one series of all time and I continue to watch SG-1, the shows, over and over. But the bottom line for me is I’ll continue to watch and enjoy Universe and enjoy as it develops as a series. Hey not every program or series we watch is our favorite, but that doesn’t make them any less watchable or enjoyable. I’m also not going to get into the debates about sex or character development or series development/direction. The sex in a show is not a big deal to me, I can take it or leave it, usually leave it for me but I do see how it fits into the overall show dynamics. I also understand this is a creative process and interpretation by you and the other writers and producers. I commend you and thank you for what you do and what you create, it’s truly spectacular and breathtaking at times. My daughter is an artist so I have some level of knowledge regarding the creative process and how it evolves. Thank God we have people such as you and the staff at Stargate/Universe that provide us with 43 minutes weekly of entertainment and enjoyment, you’re all truly gifted and talented people. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for what you are able to provide us.

    I apologize if this has been a disjoint posting as the MS doesn’t allow me as clear of thought and dialog as I have been previously used to. Hopefully you did understand my thoughts and I understand if when you read this you don’t allow it to be published as its probably not that coherent lol. I just wanted you to know that you do bring joy to me and have for quite some time now. Thank you Joe and thank you Brad and you Carl and thank you Rob and Paul, you are simply the best of the best in my eyes.

    Hang in there, I’m hoping those that read your blog and choose to remark to it will act and demonstrate they are adults. Please don’t let them ruin it for the rest of us, please don’t. Thank you again Joe, I feel that even though you don’t know me I know you and you are a kind and just man. Please know there are many of us so grateful to you.

  488. Various someones apparently posted along the lines of “I don’t like your show; I don’t like the direction of your writing; I don’t like your characters; and that one character is a whore and should be KILLED OFF.”

    And then others post “those posters are haters and idiots, they posted negative comments and personal attacks; why don’t those thugs just GO AWAY.”

    LOL The hypocrisy! LOL

  489. @ Michelle – No, not at all.

    If it is new, unbiased viewers who are complaining, then I think it would be an indication that something is intrinsically wrong with the show, and time for the creators to take a step back and re-think some their decisions before they jump into season 2 (if there is to be a season 2).

    But if the majority of complaints are coming from those who feel personally affronted by the cancellation of Atlantis in favor of Universe – those who where determined beforehand not to like ‘Battlestargate 90210’ – then I think it would be an indication that the outcry is coming from a vocal minority who had no intention of liking the show in the first place, no matter what. We’ll call them the ‘Tea Partiers’. 😉

    That said – I am sure there are first-time Stargate viewers who don’t like the new show, and diehard Stargate fans who – though disappointed with the cancellation of Atlantis – do like the new show.

    And I’m sure there are also fans who were disappointed with the cancellation of Atlantis, and who were determined to give Universe an unbiased try, but who just don’t like it. However, I really doubt those fans are the ones who are abusively expressing their dissatisfaction, instead they’re more likely the ones who have just given a shrug, and moved on.

    Since I haven’t been reading comments at GW or on Twitter, I have no idea what sorts of ‘fans’ are creating the uproar, I can only go by what I’ve seen posted here, and here I’m under the impression that most are of the ‘Tea Party’ sort.


  490. Absolutely wonderful. The one thing that has been mising, I think, from any show, is a direct, or somewhat direct “line” to anyone involved, whereby that “line” is actually rea and paid attention to (even if not responded). Yes it would offer a level of enguagement that hasn’t been previously had, and I think it is quite important. Normally, yes, a writer just goes on writing, like I am, here, but to know that comments ARE being read, noticed, even responded, while, even if not to change the direction of the writing, or the “show”, (to which, I don’t think it should, unless someone actually points out a major hole ahead of any time it would take to fix said hole). A vision is a vision, and yes, the point made about the previous iterations of SG and the lovely violence against men, women, aliens, take your pick, but I think SG-U is quite unique in that there is no clear “team”.
    Eli is a kid, and kids have fun, even under stress, and Rush has way to many issues to list, but it’s who his character is, flawed, and meant to be, it will obviously not be a Rodney or a Daniel, and I doubt Rush was ever meant to even remotely represent one of these characters, then we have the military types, a leader of sorts with his own flaws, and a growing 2nd in command that, yes, has sex, and who where didn’t arrive on this earth due to two people having sex? Seriously. I think the critique is on target: Americans (I am one) see a nipple and freak, but have no trouble blowing each other up, but another show had to change the spelling of certain words just to alllow more depth in their language (cursing, and who here hasn’t done that?!).
    I am enjoying this show, and I like it’s evolution into the “real” that had to happen, otherwise, and talking about typecasting, have many even thought about the concept of typecasting an entire show? Is that what everyone wants? I highly doubt that. I highly doubt we want to see SG-U typecast as “another Stargate comic relief with typical 70s era space battles show”. I hope there are none. We had those shows, and while SG-1 was really goot TV from seasons 1-7 and even 8, it made no sense after words, as 9 and 10 + the movie, they entirely forgot about everything discovered in 1-7. Yes, then Atlantis became far more about the same after it’s departure from the link to season 8 of SG-1. I am getting into a nerd contest here now, so I will exit that, but my point is that a new show, with new characters, new dynamics, new motives, new problems, possiblities, dreams, dashing of said dreams, and even arcs that could point to things beyond anything we have seen so far, the “Destiny” itself, a character, that we do not know yet, as we have only explored about 5 rooms. I say, let a writer have his vision, and understand that this is proof that said writer actually does see the commentary, so he does know what fans want and what haters do not, so that glimmer of hope is what makes the U in SG-U stand for unique, because really, that is entirely what this is. A unique environment in the Stargate universe, billions of lightyears away from what once was, and travelling at a speed that we don’t even know yet to what may be one of the better shows on television.
    I don’t watch a lot of TV, but a new SG certainly turned my attention, and to add to that, it’s not just SG-1 *somewhere else*, so an entirely new show, this was worth checking out, and I do think it will be worth following. A strong direction, is what this show seems to have, and instead of thinking of it as such a departure from the other SG shows, it should stand on it’s own. It would seem to me that it is no coincedence that the “Destiny” is billions of lightyears away from earth, and also the galaxy that Atlantis existed. I believe this is just part of the statement that this show is looooooooong and far away from what has come before, which I think is a good thing. If it takes billions of lightyears to do it, then it certainly lends credence to the idea that SG-U was never meant to appear like anything before, and it doesn’t take a genius to see the ship flying through subspace to notice how freaking different everything looks. To that end, I look forward to what it is going to look like in the future.

  491. Love the show- Short and Sweet- Keep Going

  492. OH! “One more thing”.

    I was immediately pulled in by the opening music of the pilot two episodes. When the ship drops out of space, that piano, along with, what sounded like an overdriven guitar (perhaps first in SG history?), but most likely a synth (as I have made similar sounds in software), anyway, it gave me goosebumps. The entire opening was fantastic. Music is the gateway to the soul, and so to hear something so interesting, when really, the thematic elements of the previous series’ were just OK Standard (with some really good stuff sprinkled about), I knew I was in for something different. I got the message too, the ship being called forth by us, was so far away that the symbol for earth was used for the entire milky way, but still, it was a delight to my ears. I hope to hear more of this, from one musician to any that might be reading. The musical thematic elements serve to entangle all these fragmented moments together when it can’t be done visually. I think it is important to note, as others have.

  493. I think we might make it to 500 comments! It’s nice to read all of the different comments/views that have been expressed, even those that I do not agree with.

    @Joe – Thanks for approving them, and hopefully this one too (*fingers crossed*).

    Peace & Love,


  494. You are right…lets ignore the subculture of sexism and focus on the bad science. Lets contemplate the idea that String Theory invalidates religion and evolution.

    Hell, lets just slap down the four rules of the Universe and walk away.

    1. The Universe is debris of change in possibility.
    2. Time is continuous change in possibility.
    3. Singularity is the moment of change in possibility.
    4. Only life can create change in possibility, and only from outside the Universe.

    What does that leave you with? A ship that would have to sit at superposition to the Human SGU Universe, Stargates that would have to be at superposition to that SGU Universe, and a bunch of PHD Smurfs who seem incapable of concluding that if life can exist at superposition with the ship, then it must have already been onboard the ship…in which case their arrival is simultaneously their departure and they can never leave again.

    Oops! They left superposition twice or more? Then they died screaming episode 1.

  495. @ dasNdanger
    you wrote:”And I’m sure there are also fans who were disappointed with the cancellation of Atlantis, and who were determined to give Universe an unbiased try, but who just don’t like it. However, I really doubt those fans are the ones who are abusively expressing their dissatisfaction, instead they’re more likely the ones who have just given a shrug, and moved on.”

    I mainly encounter people who either like SG-1 and SGA but not SGU or that like SGU but none of the other shows. Of course that does not mean there is nothing in between. Having said that, I fall into the category that really wanted SGU to be awesome. I was looking foreward to it and I would not mind if SGA got canceld for another great show. So, no hard or biased feelings from there either. Every time before I watch another episode of SGU I try to stay open minded and unbiased. It’s just that it seams, I keep getting disapointed. I can’t get myself to like SGU. At least not with what happend so far. Still I am willing to stay unbiasd and open minded just to give it another try.

    Think of it like this. In the example of an X-File fan. Somewhere along the line there was an offspring called “the lonely gunman”. Named and modeled after a few charakter that appeard in X-Files. I think this is a very cool idea. As it is named differently and after what it actually is, no X-File fan gets offended. Either you like it or not. That’s it. However, with stargate universe you would expect something that inhances the actual univers of stargate. This just does not seam to happen so far. As a stargate fan it seams hard to just shrug and move on. I get the idea that it is supposed to be different. But that does not mean there is no way to actually continue the stargate story. In that sense I hope that the writers and producers are not offended but rather take from any comment they stumble uppon what they can use to inhance the show. If something is immature it seams obvoius that you can ignore that comment. Granted it can be annoying. Well, you can’t satisfy everybody anyway. I guess for me it is just bad luck that I don’t really like it.

  496. @ moe – I guess I’m coming from a different place than most Stargate fans. I never watched SG1, and only watched Atlantis because I became totally fascinated by the Wraith – such intriguing characters! But I lost the Wraith with the cancellation of that show, so never expected Universe to have any of the same appeal that Atlantis had for me.

    But it wasn’t just the absence of the Wraith that told me this show would be different. It was everything that was said about Universe previous to its premiere that told me it would be different from anything in the Stargate franchise. It was to be younger and edgier, with less focus on aliens and more focus on relationships and character development.

    I think it’s just a matter of how you approach the show. What has allowed me to moderately enjoy it is that I NEVER thought it would be anything like Atlantis. However, I am apprehensive that it might be too much like
    those nighttime dramas where people are always having problems with their personal lives, and those relationship problems start to become the defining traits of the character. That will be the thing to kill the show for me.

    In looking back at what we’ve already seen, my favorite two moments have been Greer on the desert planet (esp. with Rush and Eli, but also in going back for Scott), and scooping the sun for power. One is a ‘band of brothers’ moment, and one is a traditional sci fi moment. More of either of those two elements will make me extremely happy.


  497. Only two more, and this thing hits 500. Think it’ll make it, Joey? Oh…now just one…


  498. I can’t stand SGU – it’s as if the writers decided that the best way to market the new Stargate was to show off the worst of humanity. Just what the world needed….not!

    I can’t help but think the whole premise of the show was based strictly on marketing. Throw in some sex scenes in the hopes that this would attract more viewers, throw in a young video game playing character to attract the same demographic and whervever possible, show off the worst qualities of humanity.

    The show sucks. The last thing I wanted to see Stargate turn into was exactly this.

    SGU is officially on my do not watch list. Sorry, but Stargate has gone ‘the way of the world’ then I’m gone too.

  499. I may not care for the character of Lt Scott, but I have a lot of time for Brian J Smith, who took the time to answer my questions and concerns about the show, and made me laugh in the doing. Likewise, while I may not always agree with David Blue, I am very grateful for the time and effort he has put into reaching out to folks like me. And other cast members seem equally good people.

    I wish I were as big a fan of their characters as I am of them in every day life, and it makes me sad that I am not.

    I am sorry that some fans are confusing the actors with their characters. I would hope that most fans do recognize the difference.

    That said, I hope that you recognize there is a difference between me saying I despise Chloe, and me saying I despise Elyse. The two are very different statements, and while I strongly dislike Chloe, I have nothing but admiration for Elyse.

    I really do wish I loved this show, you know. Everyone involved seems so passionate and excited, and I wish I felt a part of it as an audience member, but I just don’t. But, hey, I’m just one of crazies who feels the women characters in this show are being shortchanged.

  500. Honestly, the fact that people are coming to the blog and claiming they will not watch SGU reminds me of the classic ” Howard Stern” demographic numbers. The average listener that liked Howard Stern listened to him for around and hour per day, while the average listener that hated him listened for 3 hours a day!

    People have misplaced anger because SGA was canceled and they are targeting SGU because of it. They will still watch it and contribute to the ratings, because they need to know what to complain about next!

    Keep up the great work on this amazing show. I know where I am every Friday night, parked in front of the boob tube eagerly awaiting SGU!

  501. on November 3, 2009 at 9:11 pm | Reply Adam S. Guy from Australia

    think of all the characters on sgu like this. on sg1 we had the right people all the time (well duh their base didn’t leave earth) and on sga all the right people were picked before they left for atlantis. with sgu we are left with all the wrong people who can’t form the classic stargate feeling for us. so untill earth send the right people we are stuck with them (like thats going to happen). i would like to say somthing else about this but it isn’t very nice and as joe has said he doesn’t want any bad stuff happening so all i can say for now is adieu sgu

  502. SGU is a show on TV, not real life.
    SGU is there for your viewing consideration, or not.
    SGU is a continuation of a legacy that many people welcome.
    SGU offers a change of pace from other Stargate series and more realistic chain of events particularly in NOT having the right people all the time.
    SGU offers the discovery of more Ancient related topics AND competely new races, worlds phenomena etc…

    SGU has not overlapped any previous Stargate series and therefore has had to stand on it’s own two feet.
    SG1 had the original movie to fall back on and Atlantis had SG1.
    SGU has to be grown up and raise itself to survive, don’t know why people can’t see that.

    So far the sex/nudity has not in any way been gratuitous or over the top or uncalled for. Each instance or sex/nudity has been placed for character background, relationship arcs and humour.

    It’s a show, about being out of your depth, feeling in adequate and facing up to challenges that threaten your life. The previous shows are about that too, this one just throws it in your face a little harder.

    I want it to continue! 🙂

  503. well i see nothing wrong with SGU, i’m enjoying the show. i know it’s not SG1 or SGA, but that’s what makes this show unique. there’s nothing bad i can say about the show OR the characters.

    keep up the great work Joe.

  504. @dasNdanger
    True they warned us that SGU will be different. I am happy for you and those who like it. Though, I can’t quite join the club. Anyway, if you haven’t seen SG-1 I strongly recommand to pick up the DVD’s and get started. You are in for a treat.

    @Captain Obvious
    You make a nice point with the Howard Stern demographic numbers. However, the show is on a friday night when people have other things to do. As your theroy might hold through the first season, I am quite sure that after then they just have better things to do. So, they actually will stop watching. The problem is that, though there are new viewers, many of the “traditional” stargate fans will leave. These fans supported the show for 15 years. Sure they will give SGU a good try first. Abandoning these fans now seams just very sad to me. I completely understand that these fans are disapointed and to some extend mad. Some of the fans just don’t know how to deal with it and respond in a very immature way. Unfortunate for the rest of us who hope that constructive critisism will bring a positive change.

    Beeing greatful for a place like here, where we have the chance that our commments might be read and considered, I will try to shut up now. Enough ranting 🙂 I don’t want to ruin the chance for others.

  505. I am not even sure if it is wise to write any of the following, as it will most likely add to the divisiveness but people should not be criticized for having an honest opinion…and again, I reiterate…I agree with Mr. Mallozzi that civility should always be present and foremost when posting an opinion, regardless of which side one is on.

    @Siri Atiragram Lleof
    Thanks, Siri….a friend of mine’s dad once told me long ago…..”always remember the source” when considering an opinion….it seems that the ‘Stargate Fandom’ has been fractured to bits by SG:U, which is a great shame….I tried to be fair when writing my post but I guess it does not matter to those people who seem to think that any criticism is open season for abusive comments….sounds familiar, eh? :-))))

    I would not call 15 years of terrific and imaginative science fiction as playing the same song over and over…each and every single show can easily stand alone, whereas after 6 episodes of SG:U, I feel like I have only seen one long episode…..as Urgo would have said….”BORING!” :-))))

    It is precisely because viewers do not protest more strongly that we now have the most incredibly boring era in the history of television….nothing but cheap reality shows and writing that is uninspired and insulting to peoples’ intelligence. I also did not care for BSG and never wrote a single post anywhere about it because I had not invested 15 years into the franchise…..I write because I care about Stargate and the direction it has taken.

    So I guess we should post opinions only if we like the show and not otherwise….I thought the cold war was over!

    @Jason Todd
    You really are misinformed about the demographics of the viewers of SG-1 and SGA…..I suggest you do your homework before making statements that are simply inflammatory.

    & @ aaroncynic
    Criticizing aspects of the show which are gratuitous and simply there for effect, is not a sign of emotional immaturity, quite the reverse in fact. It is the emotionally mature adult who is able to differentiate between cheap sensationalism and a well thought out and meaningful plot. If being “hipper” means leaving one’s mind out of the equation, then I guess I am happy not to be ‘hip’ in your opinion.

    @Horace Smiley
    It seems rather incredible that the actors, whom you state “cannot act” in SG-1 and SGA, have lasted for 15 years on television and have won countless awards and broken records…how do you explain that?

    @Captain Obvious
    People watch SG:U because of their love of Stargate for the past 15 years and want to give it a fair chance….just because they complain does not make their opinion any less valid.

    I would like to commend the following people on their well thought out and fairly written posts….some I agree with some I do not:

    @Maggie Smith
    @Rich (Hahahah….maybe they will title an episode called “MUD”)
    @Martin Hogg (though I differ with your opinion)
    @phillyhtown (Though I am a Yankee fan, good luck in the world series! :-))))) )
    @Yashu (you are so right, the music was terrific and I was looking forward to the new version! – ah well…)
    @yellowdingo (so funny….thank you!)

    More random thoughts in response to the “rude” supporters:

    With regard to fans being labeled either pre-pubescent or a middle-aged prudes because of the backlash with regard to the sex scenes….I strongly protest and think that the rabid supporters of the show should go and join forces with all of those nasty people who verbally abused SG:U to start with, (which is what created this sad state of affairs amongst the Stargate community), as they are both cut from the same cloth as far as I am concerned….

    I am also a bit dismayed by all of the posts which condemn the rest of us who have followed and loved all the previous incarnations of Stargate, all without reservation or criticism, as if we simply do not count or are allowed to voice an opinion….I even went so far as to create almost twenty different blog sites to promote the shows because I loved them so much….and then to have people say what they said in response to my post is very sad…not only was I not nasty in my criticism, but I agreed with Mr. Malozzi that how one says something is almost as important as what one is saying.

    And what happened to the two people who went through the gate to a different planet and left Eli behind in “Water”? Whatever happened to the great Stargate adage, ‘No one gets left behind’?….weren’t those two a part of the military?….and why were they never ever mentioned again in subsequent episodes? Did they dial the gate from wherever it was that they went and get back on the Destiny and nobody mentioned it? Did anyone else on the ship ever say, ‘gee, too bad that so and so got stranded’?….maybe they could have at least mentioned them…these people on the Destiny just seem so selfish and self-absorbed with little regard for others….the show keeps getting touted as a grittier and more adult show….is this what the writers think of adults? Selfish, uncaring, total egoists and a complete lack of respect for others????

    Heroes vs. flawed mediocre selfish people….hmmmm….which do I prefer? In reference to the intentional writing of completely flawed characters with various personality disorders on the Destiny….the characters on SG-1 and SGA were NOT perfect by any means…..each of them had their own imperfections and problems. The difference is that they were able to achieve greatness in spite of them….that is something we should all aspire to and want to watch in our entertainment shows…

    Could anyone ever have called Vala a shining, idealized and perfect person? I think not! She was a thief, a con and an opportunist and yet we all liked her…….I also miss is the FUN! SG-1 and SGA never took themselves seriously. There was always an element of tongue-in-cheek humor which is another aspect which set it apart from other shows on television.

    In conclusion:

    I REALLY TRULY WANTED TO LOVE SG:U. I suppose what I miss the most in this new incarnation of Stargate is the complete lack of heroism. What made SG-1 and SGA so popular was probably the fact that the audience were given real heroes….real people who had integrity and bravery even under very adverse conditions.

    Finally, Richard Dean Anderson was actually given an award by the real United States Air Force….I wonder if SG:U will ever be honored in this way???

    Submitted Respectfully,

    PS: Just watched the first episode of “V” last evening on ABC and it was GREAT! For those of you who no longer watch Stargate, I suggest you give it a try…..and hopefully “Sanctuary” will stick around a good long time!

  506. Hi Joe! I’m sorry about all the negativity and hostility by many of the ‘fans’ (Talk about biting the hand that feeds you) I was in fact very reluctant to watch SGU because of some of the changes from this series compared to SG1/SGA. The problem is your a victim of your own sucess! Those shows were great and run for some time building up a fairly large and strong fan base, who liked surprises on the one hand but liked a certain stability (even predictabilty) on the other. The characters became almost like friends over the years and we enjoyed watching their journey as much as the action and set pieces.
    By axing SGA and the only alternative Stargate available beng this new format, many fans feel like they have been forced into it, I think SGA was definately coming to an end but perhaps should have had two more seasons to end it properly and give those die hard fans time to adjust much like you did with the closing of SG1/start of SGA.
    I was pleasantly surprised with SGU, I’m starting to quite enjoy it and I’m happy to say i’m glad you guys made it and I think the cast are great so far, your all doing a great job.
    I think heavy critictism of SGU at this point is a little silly, at least wait til the end of the first season before getting huffy, as the man said this show is not SGA/SG1 its not trying to be either, thats the point, the old shows were becoming a little tame and the show needed a new direction, the writers for one thing can only come up with so much for so long, I’m an aspiring writer so i relate to that and i can also relate to them being kinda upset with serious hostility thats frankly unneeded.
    Good luck with this project, it has a lot of potential and deserves a chance to shine.

  507. @ moe – Well, I don’t ‘love’ Universe yet – it’s still in its trial stage for me, but I’m willing to give it a chance, and am more positive about it than I thought I would be.

    As far as your suggestion, well…I will probably not enjoy SG1 – I’ve seen bits of it, and there’s nothing that grabs me. As I’ve said many times before, the only reason I liked Atlantis was because of the Wraith – to me THEY were the heroes…flawed, beautiful heroes, fighting against invaders from Earth who were systematically destroying their galaxy, their way of life, and entire human populations, just because they claimed to be the ‘good guys’.

    For this reason alone I have hopes for Universe – we’re not being told who the heroes are, they are all gray-area characters right now, and only through their eventual actions will we be able to determine who the real heroes are. Bringing me to this…

    BillieO wrote – “Heroes vs. flawed mediocre selfish people….hmmmm….which do I prefer? In reference to the intentional writing of completely flawed characters with various personality disorders on the Destiny….the characters on SG-1 and SGA were NOT perfect by any means…..each of them had their own imperfections and problems. The difference is that they were able to achieve greatness in spite of them….that is something we should all aspire to and want to watch in our entertainment shows…”

    Here’s how I look at it. A show like SG1/SGA TOLD us week after week who the heroes were. Each week the bad guys were defeated, and the good guys were patted on the back, and the audience rejoiced, “Yaaaay!” It was easy to see who would win the fight, who would be justified, and who would be praised in the end. It made the heroes larger than life…and eventually, predictable. Sure, it was fun to always see the heroes being heroes, but after a while it’s like eating the same meal, day after day. No matter how good it is, eventually you will lose your taste for it and want something else. (Side note – for me with Atlantis it was to see the Wraith re-take the Pegasus Galaxy and drive the Lanteans back to earth…hmmmmm. Maybe I DON’T want to see that Atlantis movie made! 🙂 )

    Anyway, in Universe we’re getting something different, and – hopefully – less predictable. Perhaps right now it looks like we’re getting ‘flawed mediocre selfish people’…but (and I HOPE this is how things will unfold), what if one of those flawed, selfish folks suddenly steps up and does the right thing? Isn’t it somehow more rewarding to see an untrustworthy fella surprise everyone by doing something really great and noble and selfless, than to see a hero doing what he’s expected to do? I think so.

    If that’s the way this show is going, then I think it will be very interesting to see who rises above their own selfish tendencies to do the right thing by all. It will also be interesting to see if someone we think is a good guy ends up not being so nice. I like the fact that there is now the possibility of flexibility in the characters – that someone can start out bad, and end up good, and visa versa – if that’s how the writers decide to play it.

    My fear in all of this is that they won’t play it that way. That Chloe will aways be the coy flirt, that Scott will always put sex before duty, that Eli will always be the loveable oaf, that Greer will always be the angry young man, that Young will always be the noble leader, that Rush will always be…



    …well, actually, I like Rush just as he is! 🙂

    Yeah, I want the characters to do the unexpected…to not be predictable (any hope for me here, Joe?). I think we’ve seen a bit of this already – Greer being the ‘hero’ on the desert planet, Rush being the ‘hero’ in Light, and TJ a subtle hero on a couple other occasions. People we don’t expect rising above. As I said, I hope to see more of this – but I also don’t want to see their flaws watered down by it.


  508. @dasNdanger

    Am I to understand that you have not watched SG-1? I am not sure what you mean by “watching bits of it”…

    I do understand your point with regard to the fact that on the previous Stargate shows that we do know who the heroes are, but toward the end of the SG-1 series, a new character was introduced, called Vala Mal Doran (I made reference to her in my previous post)….She was anything but a hero….in fact, she was the total antithesis of a hero….

    You should watch the episode when she is introduced and you will see for yourself…

    Be well, das


  509. I just re-watched an interview with Richard Dean Anderson included in the SG-1 box set.

    Rick goes on to explain, and this is no quote, that they not dumbing down the show because they want to give the audience the benefit of the doubt. It’s fun, intelligent and they don’t see it any other way.

    Why the about face???

    Why has SGU spit in the face of RDA?

  510. For the record all… SG1 did not hit its stride until late season one early season 2…. Atlantis did not hit its stride until late season 2… give the show time to flesh out the characters please!

    I personally love the show… and sincerely enjoy all of the characterizations… after all… these are people that are NOT supposed to be on this mission… they are fish out of water… and frankly… if i thought i was gonna die… i would also find the hottest chick i could and go get me some too.

    Really the problem here is that so much of America is prudish. What is worse, two consenting adults having sex (off camera no less) or tons of gore and violence? It seems to me that some people have their priorities out of sync.

    just my 2 cents… but really people… why would you complain that we have more hours in our Stargate fantasies?

    And for the idiots… just remember… the very first episode of Stargate SG1 had full frontal nudity. Get a grip… the sex has been there from the very beginning!

    Long Live the Gate!

  511. @das

    “Yeah, I want the characters to do the unexpected…to not be predictable (any hope for me here, Joe?). I think we’ve seen a bit of this already – Greer being the ‘hero’ on the desert planet, Rush being the ‘hero’ in Light, and TJ a subtle hero on a couple other occasions. People we don’t expect rising above. As I said, I hope to see more of this – but I also don’t want to see their flaws watered down by it.”

    Das, if this is the way the series is going, I have absolutely no problem with that. My problem with SGU is not that it isn’t SG1/SGA, it’s that, after 6 episodes a) I’m bored and b) I really don’t know who more than a handful of the characters are. Yes, I can name half a dozen or so and I can list the characteristics that we’ve seen from them so far, but there are a bunch of the others who, when they appear in the mess or the gate room, I wonder who they are. Sort of like the red-shirted extras on Star Trek, except they don’t all get shot on the nearby planet.

    I *get* that the series is developing and has a way to go before we start getting answers, but 6/20 eps is 30% of the way through the season and I’m STILL BORED!

    I could take the advice of all those who tell me to give up and go and watch something else. Hell, I’ve got enough stuff I should be doing right now, rather than reading and writing on here, but I still want to give the show a chance.

    Also, to whoever said that we’re dumb to be complaining after the season has wrapped – well, we can’t really comment before the show has aired and we have no control over the shooting/airing schedule. We can only comment on what we see when we see it. If any of the comments are taken into account for season 2, then it’s not completely in vain.

  512. @moe
    I agree with you 100% – could not have said it better – really, could not, for I am German and would have never been able to express myself that clearly 😉 – no, seriously – that is exactly the problem I have with SGU – at least 50% of the criticism could have been avoided by naming the show not “Stargate…”.

    @Loddy (who has stated the following:)
    “SGU has not overlapped any previous Stargate series and therefore has had to stand on it’s own two feet.”
    “SGU has to be grown up and raise itself to survive, don’t know why people can’t see that.”

    That’s where you are wrong. And I very much believe that this is why people – “fans”, if you will” – even bother to leave negative comments instead of just “not watching” the show. For me it really is a psychological phenomena that people can get so emotional about a ‘TV-Show – and even try to influence the producers and writers and confront them with their disapproval. I certainly have never done that before and also now I don’t feel the need to complain. But somehow I feel the need to “explain”. I just read Mr. Maluzzi’s blog entry that led to all these comments. Although I could not find the comments that provoked his anger and certainly would never approve personal insults – which obviously were part of some comments – I could not help thinking right away, “Yes, that is what you get, when trying to fool people”. Mr. Maluzzi emphasized so much the obvious – which is that SGU is totally different from SG-1/SGA – and in an almost stubborn manner announced that this is not going to change either – that for me it shows that the actual problem still is not understood. Maybe that is because the “fans” feel it somehow, but did not find a proper way to express those feelings or did not get fully aware of them at all. Loddy, it is true, that SGU ought to be standing on its own two feet and raise itself to survive, since it actually does not have anything in common with the older shows…BUT it were the producers themselves who were not brave enough to take that risk. They decided to cover that new show into a stargate mantle, that simply does not fit. Now by airing the first episodes the mantle has been lifted and what is underneath it, is something totally different. The attitude that now comes aross is that of a car dealer, selling you a BMW as Mercedes by putting a star on the front. Both are great cars – but if I am get told it is a mercedes, I hold the seller responsible for this and get extremely pissed, if he then goes on, telling me that he is not gonna take it back, but I simply have to stick with it or still have the choice not to drive the car at all. As much as that dealer needed me to get rid of this BMW – the producers needed the “old” fan base to get the proper ratings for the start of the show resp. did not take the risk to give a totally new show an appropriate new name, but rather risked to disappoint the expectations which would go along with the “stargate…-name”. But it did not stop there. Just to make really sure, that the start was not going to fail, they pulled the old SG-1 Crew into the pilot – which btw. seemed almost more “lost” than the crew on the “destiny”. Again, they counted on the established fanbase to get the show going. Same time, the producers do not get tired to emphasize the fact, that SGU is a totally new show and the viewers have to accept that. Well, how could they possibly do that, if the procuders DO NOT. What is the point in drawing “artificial” connections to O’Neill & Co. ? That is a somehow incoherent – almost schizophrenic manner of dealing with the presentation of that “altogether new show”. To the “old” fans this says: “We want you, we need you – but don’t you dare to expect, you get what you want”. Now, that sounds like harsh criticism – it is actually not. At least I do not feel so emotional about it. I do not claim that anybody deceited the old fans intentionally – that producers and writers all of a sudden just do not care about them anymore – in the contrary – this blog shows how outstanding this relationship is. On the downside of this unique relationship, people get very sensitive – which does not mean, that they are not fully aware that we are dealing with a TV show here. But still, this relationship is “real life” and in my opinion what is happening now, is all about “honesty” in that relationship. I do not approve of people directing their anger towards a direction where it does not belong – let alone resulting in personal insults. But in my profession I depend on understanding inappropriate behaviour rather than judging it without further consideration. And being a fan myself – well, not hardcore, but I really loved SG-1 – I tend to understand how the “real fans” that actually somehow have become “part of the stargate-family” and kept it going, actualy feel that the way the producers have dealt so far with SGU and the “old fanbase” borders upon dishonesty – maybe even disrespect for them.

    I very much believe, that criticism – especially the kind that seems all emotional and out of line – is not mainly a reaction to a TV-show, but to that somehow complex feeling of being fooled. And one might just consider to take that very seriously, for these feelings do not come out of the blue…

  513. @ BillieO – I’ve seen bits of the episodes, and have watched both movies (which I did enjoy). But nothing grabbed me…it was, okay. I’m not likely to go back and watch 10 seasons of episodes – the movies are better for me at this point. Funny thing about me – I love watching old movies, and dislike watching old tv shows. For some reason, old tv shows depress me – if I’m going to watch anything, I prefer it to something new.

    @ Fenny – I understand about being ‘bored’. Had I not taken an immediate interest in Rush, and a liking for Greer, I would probably be bored, too. I think for any show to appeal to the viewer, the viewer must quickly connect with a character. For instance, I’ve been watching NCIS: LA, and for the life of me I cannot connect with any of the characters, and therefore I am – bored – with the show. So I do understand that feeling, and it is bound to happen sometime.

    I feel no need to apologize for being bored with the new NCIS:LA. It happens. There’s nothing wrong with the show – or with me – it’s just that, maybe, we’re not the right fit. I will give it a few more episodes, but right now it’s not working for me. And that may be the case with a few fans who want to like Universe, but can’t find a character with which they can connect, so they become bored with the show as a whole.

    One reason I suspect that people are having trouble connecting with characters in this new show is because there are SO many characters, and therefore any character development is spread pretty thin. It does get a bit hard sharing my attention with so many new faces.


  514. RE: Heroes

    I respectfully submit that saying that loving a certain type of entertainment is not like eating the same meal, day after day. But, I would say that it is like loving a certain type of cuisine that has many dishes. I think that Vic from Screen Rant had it right with the Indian Jones analogy. People don’t go to Indian Jones (or X-Men, or Batman, Spiderman, Superman, Star Trek, etc,) movies because they want to figure out who the hero(s) is or have that be told to them while they watch any of the movies. We already know who (at least) the main hero(s) is, and this is one of the reasons why we watch the movies.

    What we want to know is how will our heroes make it this time. And, I don’t think that this gets boring either. All of the franchises that I mentioned above have lasted for decades with growing and loyal fan bases that show no sign of decline or boredom, at least not to me.

    I would like to say that I bear no ill will against the new Stargate show. I hope it does well. But, I cannot say that I like it more than Atlantis. I again appreciate different views from mine. I truly do respect them, and I hope that my views will be respected and not labeled. I think that from all of these posts that I have read, there have been some really good points on all sides.

    Peace & Love,


  515. I’m not much of a blogger, and rarely write to these things, but this show has made me want to express myself.

    I don’t get the objections to the sex scenes, they seemed to flow to me. Compare this to SG or Atlantis?
    I’m not the one that named it SGU, so get used to comparisons. Do I think we should have square jawed heroes? I don’t think we ever really did.

    Calling the previous 2 SG incarnations killfests designed for kids is a bit self deprecating isn’t it? Does this mean that we who enjoyed it are childish and immature?

    Holding the line at, we have a loooong wait is also a bit pretentious since we all know that fans either make or break the show. Too much melodrama and too little REAL Sci-Fi action equals total boredom.

    Sure, the elements you have introduced so far are clever, and far sighted, and normally I’d swallow them right along with everything else, if it weren’t for the fact that they gobble up so much time.

    I’m not looking for amazing and expensive special effects here, I just expect to get to know the ship as WELL as the crew. After all, the build up over the original stargate technology was pretty intense, and I enjoyed every second learning about it.

    I wouldn’t think of insulting your efforts with the creation of this new series, truth be told, I don’t think your rainy day fans have a clue how much blood sweat and tears you invest into every scene, word and change. On the other hand, as witnessed above, your TRUE fans know you and have faith in you.

    Please consider for a moment Sir, how much faith we place in your hands when we watch your work in cinematic form and realize that, we trust you to take some of us away from all of our tension and stress at the end of the day.

    Maybe knowing that will take some of the sting out of the comments left by people who in a moment of irrational anger, just decided to lash out at anything. Also realize that on this side of the fence are people who not only wish you the very best, but ALSO feel protective about the cast and production team much as you do.

    I haven’t read much about the insults to actors except a couple about Lou Diamond Phillips. I still don’t have a clue why anyone would not want him in the series. Sure he was a teen idol once and somehow fell out of favor. What in the name of tunnelvision does that have to do with SGU?

    Did I expect Ricky Schroder to be that same wholesome boy he played in silver spoons, when he finally landed a role as a detective? Sure I was surprised at his amazing talent, but he really broke the typecasting mold with that 1 strong character.

    I see incredible possibilities ahead with SGU, and looking at the entire scope of (what if), I have to say, anything is possible with this new series. I don’t expect it to be anything like the previous 2 installments at all.

    My advice to you, if you care to listen to a 51 year old guy who has been a SciFi fan since I was 9 years old is this.
    Be fair minded when reading any blog, and ignore any poster who can’t keep a civil tongue in his head.

    Find those of us who can be frank and honest with you, people who will comment on the GOOD as well as the not so good. Let someone else read and filter your blogs and forum reading list, so this treasonous assault never bothers you again. Finally, sift through the list of posters to find those who truly know your heart and appreciate your efforts, and who can relate at least on some level to the heaven and hell that is writing, producing and creating SciFi content.

  516. @Sabine
    I am uncertain about quantum mechanics and… the ability to express myself clearly. I didn’t intend to write some more but you caught my attention 🙂 For my native language isn’t English either. Besides I am dyslexic (Not joking, I had to take additional classes as a child…) Well, I am surpised to read something like it. Anyway, the title “Stargate Universe” is most unfortunate as both parts of the title imply something completely different than what was shown so far. As said, if the stargate saga would continue in any way, shape or form, I would not mind that much that it’s different. Though, I do miss the brilliantly rendered epic space battles. Or just start dreaming by watching some nebula out there in space or having three moons over a planet… The current pace is to dramatic for dreaming. It’s rather depressing and therefore not exactly my first choice of friday night entertainment.

    You worte: “I respectfully submit that saying that loving a certain type of entertainment is not like eating the same meal, day after day. But, I would say that it is like loving a certain type of cuisine that has many dishes.”

    So true. I didn’t agree with that statement either. For one it only airs once a week. Who would have a problem eating his favourite cuisine once a week? Besides it wasen’t always the same at all. It makes me wonder how one makes such a statement and then turns around and watches yet another drama (no offence intended). You could just as well say that you take the same spice for every meal. As drama is practically in every show anyway. If you want a show that has no drama at all and is not comedy, you will have a hard time finding one.

    On another subject:
    If you immidiately know the candle light is fire, the meal has been cooked a long time ago…

    I am all for the long complex stories in which you have no clue who is good and who is bad. So that it requires some open mindedness towards the charakters. Like in the show heroes, when one charackter sometimes seams to be one of the good guys and suddenly he’s not. I always like it when a substory is told in the course of 2 or 3 episodes rather than one. In that regard I also often prefer the japanese anime, as they tend to have a far more complex stroy. E.g. the epic “Kôkaku kidôtai” (Ghost in the Shell) from 1995 as opposed to the rather dull version of this topic, “I Robot” from 2004. No offence to Will Smith, but nine years in time apparently means we need to dull down the stroy as people have degenerated. I would have preferred the opposite and make it more interesting with a more complex story. Therefore, I still hope that the entire first season of SGU is about building charakters. So that the true story would unfold over about 5 to 6 seasons in total and then maybe start to focus on another main story. Like SG-1 had a change in focus from the goa’uld to the ori. Yet always revealing another piece of the stargate puzzle. Then again on the current pace of the show I am unlikely to endure for 5 or 6 seasons. At least I am willing to give it a try rather than ranting with no sense at all.

    We know the standpoint from J. Mallozzi as he has written the origianl blogpost. However, after more than 500 comments it would be interessting to know if he got something from all these comments. Did your stantpoint change? Did it get any better with all the rant? People more friendly? Some of the procuders, actors or writers still mad or feeling hurt? Do you consider any of the arguments or is the show more like ego-tripping? Are we too rude? Should we stop it already and give it a rest after 500 comments? At least one can see that we fans do care, right? 🙂

    Seriously though, there were many questions from many fans. Some input from any of the actors, writers or procuders would really be cool and show that they do care in an uniquely way. Just a thought. Hope noone feels offended.

  517. I’ve found that my enjoyment of a genre show is inversely proportional to the amount of time I spend on the Internet reading other people’s opinions of them.

    I followed the older SG series, and while a decade and a half of that light-hearted tone was fun, I’m glad you’re giving us something new.

    On a self-centered note: I hope you keep up the current mixture of passion, humor, desperation and realism, because that’s what hooked me and keeps me watching.

  518. A friend linked me this blog so I thought I’d comment. I had no idea the amount of hate SGU was getting. I loved SG:1 and I liked Atlantis a lot, especially after the first season, but every series that has multiple legs like Stargate or Star Trek or hell even Cheers should have a different feel and explore a different element in each leg of the series.

    I think Stargate: Universe is doing that well. Its exploring a new leg that really hasn’t been explored that I’ve always wondered on. So far I’m liking the characters because I both can relate to them and dislike some (I’m saying that I like that I dislike some- which is good 🙂 ). All the actors are doing a great job and I’m enjoying where the plot is going. The art direction is spot on too.

    In the case that actors and crew actually do read this blog- keep up the good work and don’t let some fans put you down too much. And if any writers do read- have you guys explored the ups and downs plot wise of allowing the stargate secret to go public? Though admittedly, Universe probably wouldn’t be the platform to do that since for the most part it doesn’t take place on Earth.

  519. @moe – Thanks for your post. You made some really good points. Drama really is kind of like spice, and is a part of most everything in written works, tv, or film. I even think that there is a pinch of drama in most tv/movie comedies too because a lot of that comedy exaggerates and/or shows us how to laugh at the real-life dramas that we may experience daily (i.e. The Office, The Break-Up).

    I also like how you talked about fire and candlelight. Candlelight can be so seductive that it almost doesn’t seem like fire, which I think was your point – and a very good one if you don’t mind me saying this. Fire is very complex in that it can be our best friend (it can be used for warmth, to cook food, to help us see in darkness) or our worst enemy (it can kill, damage, and/or destroy).

    I think that heroes and villains can be seen as fire.

    I believe that we can usually expect our heroes in stories to be the ones that light the way and keep the most bitter of what or who is icy and cold at bay. Villains tend to be the blazing fire that keeps zipping along the same path with no care for who or what it destroys. But, like you mentioned, these roles can sometimes be a little ambiguous when new characters are introduced.

    I believe that this metaphor of fire complements the Indiana Jones analogy that I referenced earlier. For instance, when I went to watch Spiderman 2, I knew that Spiderman (a.k.a. Peter Parker) was the hero of the film before seeing it. However, I noticed while watching the movie that Peter didn’t always feel like hero. He definitely wasn’t portrayed as a hero by the press in the movie either.

    He lost a lot of his confidence as the ridicule poured in, and so subsequently his powers dwindled. He even gave up on being Spiderman for a time because he perceived public opinion as being so against him. It was interesting to see that people didn’t see him as the hero he was until he was gone for awhile. It looked like Peter didn’t always want to be a hero, at least in some ways. But, long story made short: Peter knew that he was hero, and so (with some familial & villain persuasion) he went back to save the woman he loved and the city that needed him.

    This is what I mean by the whole wanting to see how a hero makes it thing. It was interesting to see how Peter made it through personal obstacles (School, MJ, his best friend finding out about him) as well as how he fought the bad guy. I really think that for myself, the journey of the hero is what counts: How the hero learns or grows. What the hero has to sacrifice. How a personal life fits in – if at all. How the hero falls from grace and then crawls back again. This is all very interesting to me.

    The villain in Spiderman 2 ended up being a hero in the end. And so, like you, I enjoy some of the ambiguity that accompanies a lot of new characters that come along, or even some of the old characters that have been around, in a franchise. I realize that this isn’t too sci-fi, and so maybe different rules apply in sci-fi. I’m not a terrible huge sci-fi buff, but I do like heroes. And as far a heroes go, this is how I feel.

    It is an interesting question to ask Joe what he and the other producers, writers, and creators, etc. think of all of these comments. I hope they don’t mind all of this. Sometimes I think I should give my fingers a rest, but there are so many interesting things that are being communicated on this blog by Joe and all of the commenters. So, I end up giving my opinions too, even if it is just to agree with someone else.

    Well, thanks again for your post. I really enjoyed reading it.

    Peace & Love,


    P.S. Did I write enough? (*giggle*) I think I got carried away.

  520. […] You’ll have to watch the episode to find out how far the creators are indeed willing to go and which of these storylines could just very well be the one that Lenic, Mallozzi, and even Phillips believe will set the Internet on fire and shake the show’s already slightly unstable foundation. […]

  521. Aren’t you in charge of screening/un-screening comments? Should you not then take the complete responsibility of showing all the actors/their family whatever hostile comments that were left?

  522. […] Joseph Mallozzi has been taking the brunt of the fanboy tomato-throwing lately, firing back via his blog. My favourite snippet in regards to the “romance”: Unlike the more kid-friendly SG-1 […]

  523. What a shame. Childish personal insults do nothing but make the person making them look childish and invalidate their point – they should certainly keep the childish stuff away from your blog.

    However, to suggest that anyone with dissenting opinions only post them on places where they are sure that everybody will 100% agree with them is a foolish segregation of opinion. Debate makes the world go round whether you like what you hear or not. This is your blog though, and you don’t have to allow people to post on it if you don’t like their views or find the way they are expressed distasteful. You can control what happens in your space, but you will have dissention in other places. This is just a fact of life.

    I personally don’t care for SGU – I have tryed to enjoy it, but just can’t get into it. This is nothing to do with me being “offended” by anything in the show or disgusted by it’s morals. I have literally no interest in those “clean-cut heroes” and “flawless people” or stories that wrap themselves up in 45 minutes. (Although that is a tad condescending and insulting to the large amount of people on this blog who enjoyed SG1 and SGA). Quite the opposite in fact. And yet I *still* don’t like SGU. It is possible to be an open minded person who enjoys and appreciate subtle television, who doesn’t need to have everything fed to them on a spoon, and who likes “morally grey” edgy characters who don’t always do the right thing, who loves long reaching plot and development and yet *still* doesn’t like your show. I am far from alone in this opinion. I don’t think it should be taken off the air because I don’t like it (quite the opposite) but I am in no way a fan. I hope you can look at the arguments against SGU critically without just handwaving everything off with “oh you just don’t *understand* it”, or “you only complain because you think the characters and plot are immoral/sexist/too complicated for your tiny brains so therefore you think they are bad” or the old favourite “you are determined to hate it because it’s not SG1 or SGA”.

    It is very easy when so many people don’t like what you have produced (tv show, newspaper article, competion cake, anything creative really) to justify it to yourself (or to your friends whether in real life or on this blog), to try to turn any real, sensible, adult issues and complaints etc that may be presented, into arguments that are much easier for you to knock down. I’m not saying that *all* your detractors are have reasonable complaints (some, as you say, are just downright childish, insulting, personal or overly biased), but I am aware that it is easier to blanket condemn detractors by tarring them all with the same brush than acknowledging that others have opinions that may not be yours but are equally valid. This is especially true regarding any debates about sexism, racism, homophobia etc. When you put something out there into the public not everyone is going to think that it’s as great as you and your friends/supporters do.

    For myself, I don’t enjoy SGU for the simple reason that it seems to overextend itself – it tries to be something too large and complicated for the writing and production that structures it (sorry, but that is my opinion). The writing skills that managed perfectly well in SG1 and SGA are just not suited to the task of depicting something this serious and broadreaching. To put it another way – imagine a wonderful piano player in a great piano bar. He knows all the standards, Broadway, soft ballads, a bit of easy listening, you name it. The patrons love him and he makes a lot of money. In short he is very good at what he does – excellent in fact. If you uprooted that piano player just because you enjoy his rendition of “Memories”, stuck him in Carnegie Hall, and put the Goldberg Variations in front of him, is it fair to expect him to be Glenn Gould? If this was a Hollywood film he would suprise you with his virtuosity, but more often than not (and most certainly in this case) it is just not something that he is capable of doing with any consumate skill. Does he know all the notes? Definately. Can he play them in the right order? Of course. Is he really capable of doing a piece of this scope justice? No. Very few are. It doesn’t mean that he is not equally talented in his own way (I can’t see Glenn Gould having the people skills and charm to work a piano bar for example) but he is just not physically or mentally capable of excelling at this particular gig. Does that mean he is a lesser person? No way. Please note that I am not suggesting in any way that someone should not attempt to better themselves or step outside their own sphere of existense and experience, or that they should “stick to what they are good at”. If you want to play Carnegie Hall then you should endevour to do so – but in real life, not everybody is capable. SGU feels like that piano bar rendition of the Goldberg Variations. You may feel that you have taken that piece of Bach and turned it into something new and exciting – I unfortunately do not. I mean no offence and it is certainly for no other reasons than those I have laid out. Nor do I assume that I could do a better job. That is my opinion, I am not ashamed of it and I do not in any way expect you or anyone else to share it (or even read it with any interest). It is however, as valid as yours or the next persons.

  524. The show is painful to watch and the acting is horrible. Sorry if this hurts your feelings.

  525. I suppose this is just more proof that Hollywood writers wouldn’t even be able to understand a dictionary or thesaurus, if they ever bothered to read one.

    I’m sure your soap opera sex-scenes will help you sell a bunch of tampons and cosmetics, but if you want the KEY MALES 18-49 to keep watching, less talky-kissy-boinky, more shooty-stabby-burny-arrrrrrggghhh!y. If you must have sex, then start teaching hot green alien women how to love, and drop the angsty earth-women off on the nearest O.C. Class planetoid.

  526. OK, I’m one of the people who don’t like SG:U. And yes, part of the reason I don’t like it has to do with the fact that these characters are very flawed. Is it because I don’t like flawed characters? Hardly. I loved Farscape when everyone was at each other’s throats, and my favorite sci-fi characters of all time are Londo Mollari and G’Kar. The reason these characters do not work is because they do not make sense. You say “Look at these people who are thrown into this crazy situation without any preparation!” I say “Ok, that explains WoW boy and the Senator’s daughter, what’s the excuse of all the other people who were hand picked for a super-secret, military program that routinely sends them dozens or hundreds or thousands of lightyears from Earth?” This isn’t Battlestar Gallactica, this isn’t Lost, this isn’t a group of average people thrown into an extraordinary situation. This should be a group of extraordinary people in an extraordinary situation. Yet, apparently slots in the Stargate program have been dolled out via lottery.

    And then the writing itself is not terribly creative or clever. Air I could have been ripped from just about any self-insertion wish-fulfillment fanfic written for any sci-fi show. It’s utterly embarrassing that this is the level sci-fi has fallen to. And really, who here did not see how Light was going to end from the last minute of Darkness? (BTW writers: next time you have the characters rush to take a suit off of someone who just came in from the surface of an ice-planet, you might want to remember that the outside of said suit will be as cold as the surface of that planet, and so they should be wearing gloves if they don’t want to get their flesh burned off).

    The real tragedy here is that the actors’ talents are wasted on this series. Please actors, when we say “I hope so-and-so gets killed,” take it to mean “I hope the person who plays so-and-so gets released from their contract so they can go work on something decent.”

    Fortunately, though, USA’s new White Collar series is actually entertaining, and it airs on Friday as well. May have something to do with why i didn’t bother watching “Earth” tonight.

  527. Trolls are a persistent problem for any blog. Give somebody anonymity, and you are likely to get two things: Bad behavior and honest responses. Don’t go Windows Mojave on your critics before you consider what commenters are actually saying. If you are getting a lot of bad feedback about the show, it could be because there are real problems with the show and they want to see you succeed. Telling them that they are too dumb or impatient to understand the excellence of your vision is not a way to win converts.

    In my opinion, the show has some real problems. I keep hoping to enjoy it, but I keep being disappointed by a lack of consequences and a lack of interesting characters.

    SG1 and SGA worked best when they placed their characters in situations that called for a nasty choice with real stakes. Choose the The episodes where the characters just had to find some McGuffin or shoot a few bad guys were nowhere near as good. Examples would include:

    -SG1: The choice offered by the Ori: Are your religious convictions worth wiping-out your planet’s population? Do you attack the converts, knowing they are unwilling?

    -SGA: The Hoffan drug: 50% of your people will die, but the rest will be immune to Wraith feeding. Do you take it, especially knowing that the Wraith might exterminate everybody on your planet??

    -SGA: The retrovirus. Do you test it on your enemies? Do you cooperate with your ostensible enemies to deploy it, and just how far does that cooperation go?

    -SGA: Power constraints. Without a ZPM, Atlantis will be destroyed. However, in order to get it, you may have to rob a primitive tribe of children, leaving them open to Wraith attack. Do you take it?

    SGU seemed like the perfect vehicle for these types of decisions, and it started strong. A desperate situation, uncertain and with very limited resources. Panic, confusion, danger, etc. The fact that the Senator chose to kill himself to save the ship was an excellent touch. There were real consequences for at least two characters we had come to know. The survivors were stuck on a ship with very limited resources that are about to run out, no prospects for resupply of food or anything manufactured, and a mixed bag of military personnel/civilians who have no idea what they are doing.

    Since then, the episodes have been disappointing. In particular, I was disappointed by “Light.” Light was the perfect vehicle for a nasty set of choices, and the Lottery almost achieved that. I would have liked to have seen some more realistic discussion about the nature of the Lottery (i.e. the women should go, since we will need women to establish any sort of colony. What about critical medical/agricultural/mechanical knowledge?) However, upon discovering that the ship was going to survive its encounter with the sun, I was hoping for some sort of “The Cold Equations” (very famous short story by Tom Godwin,) type scenario. The shuttle had limited fuel, and one way to make it go farther without losing any vital supplies is to reduce the human cargo. A second, much nastier lottery could have taken place to determine who goes out the airlock.

    Being willing to kill a few major or semi-major characters at this point would have set a tone for the show. It would have made the stakes real for the audience. 24 Pulls this off consistently well, and so did SGA. To a limited extent, you have to tell a story like a hostage taker. Prove you are willing to kill a “hostage” (major character), and viewers will take every scrape with death much more seriously. Even minor injuries can have a huge impact. “Water” would have been much more interesting if Lt. Scott had lost a foot to frostbite, and had to spend the next week recuperating in the med bay. How would he get a prosthetic all the way out in another galaxy? How does he cope with the reduced mobility? How do they perform major surgery without the tools they really need to do the job right? How do they control infection? The possibilities are endless, and much more interesting than: “Oh, he’ll be fine.”

    The secondary problem is character development. It’s obvious the writers are trying to create a character-driven show here, and that is unquestionably the right way to go given the concept. Cookie cutters are not going to do it. I know very little about any of the characters on the show, and I don’t really care to know any more. Dr. Rush, Eli and MSgt. Greer are the only characters who show any signs of having a personality. Show the others as individuals, with separate and distinct personalities, and we might be able to get interested in them.

    Lack of time to develop a character is not the problem here. Within 1 min of his appearance on SG-1, Stephen Baldwin had me hoping his character would continue on, and become a part of the series. He was a real person to me, and I cared what happened to his character. Within 20 seconds, I was interested in the character of Sgt. Bates on SGA because of his thoughts on bacon. Tiny things, only a few seconds of dialogue, but with BIG impacts for the characters.

    A little bit of humor can also go a long way towards humanizing a character and telling us how they work. The situation may not be funny, but people will find something to joke about. Bacon, animals, the Yankees, how the only one who likes the MRE’s with the garlic chicken is Walters, etc. At the very least, they will tease each other a bit, or find something to distract them from impending doom.

    A few minor paradigm changes is all I think it would take for this show to succeed. You have a good premise, a promising cast, and it sounds like the ideas you have for the future are interesting. As it stands, these advantages and opportunities are not being used in the right way, and the quality of the show is suffering for it. The fans, and most of the commenters on the blog want this show to succeed, and they are telling you that this is not working. Do not Mojave them! People are telling you the same things over and over again on here. Listen to them, before they start changing the channel! You got it right before, and you can do it again.

  528. F*ck ’em all. My partner and I LOVE the show and the direction the characters are being taken.

    We will always be fans of SG-1 and Atlantis, but Universe is a breath of fresh air and exactly what the franchise needed to breath new life into it.

    Keep up the outstanding work!

  529. So you want us to play Chad Decker to your Anna? Ok, nothing but nice comments, the show can’t be seen in a negative light. I look forward to watching the remainder of the episodes once the first season is over. It’s like Lost, better to watch a season in one setting than getting strung along episode to episode without resolutions.

  530. I love SG-U. I got the scene with Chloe and Scott. It seemed appropriate and the way 2 young people (both of them young and one in obvious grief–needing some emotional outlet) would react to what seemed at the time to be a pretty certain death.

    One way to tell you are on the right track: I am a SciFi lover! My husband? ummmmmm he humors me. He was a big Battlestar fan but HATED and I mean HATED SGAtlantis, would barely watch SG-1(my fave of all time!).

    SG-U? He LIKES it..REALLY likes it. He even recommended it to his best friend who thought it was going to be another SGAtlantis disaster and now HE watches it.

    I like the characters, thought last night was really creative, esp the surprise scene with the “switch” in the bedroom ( I wont ruin it for those who havent seen it). THAT was creative and certainly a WOW…the ending was also GREAT. I was sitting there saying” dont do it ..dont do it”….EXCELLENT!

    As for the women being portrayed as attractive and normal, gee…portraying them as real? Gosh, how RACEY/sarc

    Last night also, the surprise with Rush was GREAT. I didnt see that coming and liked it a LOT. This team is starting to jell, they are starting to trust each other and pull together..or are they? LOVE IT..and thank you!!
    I was really looking forward to SG-U and you have EXCEEDED what I hoped. Well done! Keep going! Dont change a THING ..yet!

  531. MR. MALLOZZI:


  532. The sets, scenery, and special effects have been stunning. The acting has been generally good, with some truly excellent performances (Robert Carlyle comes to mind). I like the concept of the show, and the premises of most of the episodes so far have been interesting.

    You might have sensed a “however” coming, and there are two of them.

    So far many of the character interactions have struck me as forced or stilted. I’ll be watching anyways for a while in the hope that this will improve. It’s hardly the first show I’ve seen where the opening few episodes caught me that way; in fact I think that’s more of the rule than the exception. So I wouldn’t be surprised if this improves.

    The other “however” is the lack of any humor. It’s merely personal preference, and I don’t think it makes the show absolutely worse if it is always serious, all the time; on the other hand that is not the sort of show I’d prefer to watch. If it turns out that’s the way SGU is going, I wish it all the best and find some other show.

  533. […] que o Joe Mallozzi fez sobre o futuro desta e de outras relações a bordo desta nave no seu blog. Podia, mas não o irei fazer. E porquê? Porque isto parece-me tudo, mas mesmo tudo tão […]

  534. I loved stargate, have followed it from day one, with the Movie, was very happey when it became a tv series, loved the Atlantis spin off.

    I am sorry for this blunt comment, but Universe doesnt do it, I watched the first 3 episodes, it is too dark and depressing for me, I miss the fun & action of SG1 and Atlantis.

    I wont bash your show, and since I cant take it, I simply wont watch, so you loose me as a viewer, as you have lost thousands of other, gate fans.

    Respectfully Allan

  535. Hello Everyone,

    This is my first time posting on a blog…so I’m doing this with a little trepidation. But here goes nothing :

    SG-1 and Atlantis in my opinion are very good shows, but they are sterilized shows where action is the main emphasis. Light figthing Darkness, Good Vs. Evil, which harkens back to the days of the 1930’s and 1940’s matinee serials. (i.e. think Indiana Jones.)

    I say this with a little hesitation, after the premiere and the series of BSG in the science fiction genre, BSG stood out for many reasons, development of three dimensional characters, not cookie cutter characters that we are so use to seeing in most science fiction and fantasy tv shows, movies made for tv and cinema. So on that premise BSG had a very good influence.

    SGU takes a page from that book, and the writers and directors have decided to develop characters that are three dimensional, with their strengths and weaknesses, which we as all human beings share.

    I do acting, also writing, and the one question that all always ask myself, “In the same given situation, how would I react ? What would I do ?”

    Yes, the world is a dark place and so is the universe, it is not sanitized, problems don’t resolve themselves in 45 minutes, people get sick, get betrayed, fall in love, some even die, that&#